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    Timtim 21st December 2018 at 15:31

    James Forrest's article was posted on 31st March 2015 at 1:15pm

     

    It seems to be in reaction to articles (see a selection below) from 30 March 2015 that were a prelude to a programme John Barnes : Sports Life Stories that wasn't shown until 10:00pm on 31 March 2015.

    http://www.itv.com/england-football/sports-life-stories-john-barnes

    As such I am still of the opinion that Forrest's blog is a knee jerk reaction to 'defend' Celtic that got the wrong end of the stick.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32112666

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/30/john-barnes-black-managerial-career

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3017296/John-Barnes-claims-t-job-management-black.html

     

     

     

     

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    We’re Gonny Need Another Baw.
    Arrests, reverse raffles etc All pish.

    Football is effectively run as a private members club.

    The members of that club can apply any rules they want.

    When the singing or pitch invasions starts the chairman of the club whose fans are behaving in an offending manner simply waves a red flag from the directors box and orders his manager to withdraw his players from the field of play.

    Said Chairman announces on the PA he/she will not allow his players back on the field until the singing / poor behaviour stops, otherwise they will simply forfeit the game.

    Plenty examples of music performers taking such action when their fans get out of order or are in trouble.

    Like I said the other day,  instead on people putting their head in the sand, issuing vacuous statements and blaming others, just own the problem.


    We’re Gonny Need Another Baw.
    Just to recap, the following is from the FA's website.

    VIOLENT CONDUCT

    Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

    In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

    Q5: Why is striking/hitting someone’s head or face (when not challenging for the ball) regarded as violent conduct?

    There has always been an expectation from football that someone who deliberately hits someone on the head or face should be sent off – striking the head or face is potentially very dangerous so unless there is very little force used, this will be a sending-off (RC) as football must discourage this unacceptable behaviour.

     

    Therefore by motioning his arm towards Kamara's head the ref sees a potential strike to the head/face. So the question re Bachmann last night was the degree of force.

    Yet we know that Morelos kicked McKenna but that was not decreed as being forceful. Similarly Paul McGinn's forearm smash at speed to Cammy Smith's head in the St Mirren v Dundee Utd only warranted a yellow.

    Out of interest, Smith then chops McGinn shortly after the forearm incident in a similar desperate studs up lunge as to Candeias last night and gets a yellow. No punishment for Candeias last night but Garruccio gets sent off for something similar on Sunday.

    As for penalties we know Defoe got one for dropping easily the other week but last night Brophy's actions were swept aside by the official.

    Regardless of the clubs involved the inconsistency across the board is incredible. 

     


    We’re Gonny Need Another Baw.
    Scottish Football Away Days on Facebook has clip of Bachmanns sending off.

     

    Given Gordon Smith was waxing lyrical about hating cheats and play acting on Radio Shortbread pre-game, it will be interesting to hear his views on this one. 


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    I see a lot of chat with regard to what effect the TOP ruling will have on King and T'Rangers.

    My view is not a lot really.

    As discussed a long time back it didn't seem to do the last South African who was cold shouldered any particular harm.

    The main point is that T'Rangers and many of their fans seem quite happy to have someone like Dave King at the helm.

    For a club who keeps droning on about dignity they seem to be content to be run by a set of shysters from Murray, Whyte, Green and now King.

    Hearts fans lapped up some of the Vlad years but quickly realized it was no way to go on.

    Others clubs have had similar experiences with other shysters but, like Hearts, have tried very hard to steer an honest ship since those times.

    One wonders when T'Rangers will join the rest of us in trying to run our clubs and the game with a modicum of honesty, decency and respect.

     


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    Here is yesterday's doozy from the lower leagues of  kids football.

    Ref comes into the changing room to inspect the players, boots etc.

    Says two of the lads need to remove their base-layer as about an inch of black is showing at the neck above the lighter coloured strip. 

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    Does this mean kids teams now have to fork out even more money ensuring base-layers match exactly to the club colours. (Or everyone just plays in black!!!) 

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    easyJambo 3rd September 2019 at 15:27

    I note that both the local MP and the Mayor of Manchester appear to behind the drive to keep Bury going in the EFL.

    From reports the club owes HMRC around £800k.

    On here many have tried to say the involvement and ramblings of MPs and MEPs, including the then FM, around the time of the demise of Rangers and formation of T'Rangers were some form of establishment conspiracy and that with money being owed to her Majesty the club from Govan should have been helped, by such politicians, in going to the wall. 

    Like at Bury,  I think it is just one of these situations were 'the normal rules' don't seem to apply and people from all walks of life go 'Ga-Ga' when its a football club that is in trouble.

    I don't think it matters if it is Rangers, Bury, Bolton or any other team, politicians would be wanting to be seen on the side of keeping a team alive.

    Perhaps not right but it is in the nature of the political beast to protect their vote.

     


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    easyJambo 2nd September 2019 at 16:54

    We have discussed this before.

    While I respect your work on the figures coming out of Ibrox and pointing to a club that could begin to break even with increased revue, they always seem to have an ability to splaff cash up against the wall. Be that court cases or big name signings. Despite positive predictions and anticipated financial stability, every time the accounts come out it is usually the same old story of the unknown unknowns putting them in the red.

    It was the nature of SDM and it is the same for King, who clearly likes to push everything to the limit.

    Continual contract upgrades from Morales, wages for the likes of Defoe and Davis and now possibly Kent just eat away at any Euro income.

    Celtic can be criticised for hording money in the bank and not spending what they have wisely or timely but it doesn't look like they are anywhere near going to go under any time soon.

    However T'Rangers are continually walking a tightrope as the have no patience to build new foundations. In that circumstance there is always the cancel that a single event can bring the whole thing tumbling down.


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    While following the saga of T'Rangers I often look in on Phil Mac twitter feed for updates. Not being a Celtic fan myself I see two clear and constant messages he constantly mentions that relate to last nights events in Stockholm.

    1) The Napoleon quote of 'not interrupting your enemy when they are making mistakes'

    2) Leave the pyros at home.

    Once again the idiots, most probably in the Green Brigade, think they are untouchable but find that foreign Police forces are not as accommodating as Scotland’s finest and just put their club right up there with the charge of being no better than the 'other ugly sister'.

    Images are in the press showing guys in olive green anoraks, sun glasses on and hoods up and one idiot in a balaclava holding a long pole facing up to the Police. Who goes to watch football these days with a balaclava!!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7408591/Celtic-fans-clash-baton-wielding-Swedish-police-officers-Europa-League-tie.html

    These olive green anoraks are seen, a plenty, in the Green Brigade section every home game.

    It is therefore hard to swallow the Chelsea, sorry, 'Hammarby fans' argument being put forward as an excuse.

    Indeed looking at the Hammarby Ultras on Youtube then seem to operate in a similar manner to the Green Brigade with banner displays, flares chants etc. So even if they were in the Celtic end then I wouldn’t be surprised if they were welcomed by Celtics Ultras with opened arms to stick it to rivals AIK.

    This will end up being Celtic's 13th  UEFA fine or so since 2011. 13 fines in nine years!!!

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/celtics-history-of-uefa-fines-810987.html

    As discussed earlier, the Celtic board had a chance to finish off T'Rangers but didn't. Celtic fans have been given an open goal in terms of distancing themselves from the poor behaviour of T'Rangers fans but again, by accommodating the likes of the Green Brigade have blown it.

    So lets get it straight, its not UEFA, its not 'imposter fans', its not heavy handed police.

    Its a Celtic problem – and the club and decent fans can either deal with it or simply accept the consequences without any more excuses.