Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns

In the aftermath of the recent election and whilst those of us who voted one way are still hoping that our way continues to count, the horse trading has begun. No matter your politics, the fact that a party wholly representing one part of the United Kingdom is suddenly having such a massive influence, coupled with a lack of detail in the public domain over their negotiations, causes people some nervousness; because of the nature of the DUP, for some they claim it terrifies them.

Can we imagine if football was run that way? Can we imagine if it wasn’t?

Having people who have one focus deliberating and influencing your life has always been an issue at the core of the United Kingdom. Proud Scots do not like the power of the English, some English have begun to resent the growing independence of the Scots, the Welsh have turned out to have their own independence and as for the Irish; the Trouble has always never been far behind.

The recognised method of dealing with these issues has now become to allow, where possible, organisations within the domain of the domicile to grow on their own. For some it sows the seeds of an increasing independence as the locals realise they can do it for themselves. It also does, though ensure the organisation is close to its own people and is truly representative of them.

In Scotland, and throughout the last election, the big two – Conservative and Labour parties – have suffered under the accusations of being a “branch office” of their London centric big sister. It has led to people making choices based on the assumption that, at times, neither of the leaders up here have autonomy. When there are policies that will be unpopular in Scotland, they say, the high heid yins in Edinburgh have no choice but to toe the party line.

We do not like that thought.

Nor should we.

I suggested that football has a similar issue. And so. It does…

The views and opinions of the Scottish fans who last Saturday threw up their hands in joy and held their heads in despair all within 90 seconds or so suffer from that lack of representation. As deals are done in secret and “announcements” made over innovations and changes they are collectively silent through the funded organisation established to represent them; at best that organ is muted.

Never has it been more important for the Scottish football fan to feel the importance of their view being heard. Never has it been more important as Project Brave is being undertaken, chairmen are being fined £3,000 for having a bet, we look as though we are going to miss out on another World Cup, expansion of our cup competitions is growing apace, play offs and promotions have delivered their verdicts and handed their budgets to managers who bemoaned last year it was hard, that one of our two giant clubs seems unable to keep itself out of the court room whilst supplying the accused, the defence lawyer, the pantomime villain and a circus or at least two premiership clubs appear to be on the verge of administration.

Supporters Direct – Undemocratic?

The time has come to ensure that the voice of the footballing nation does not come from around the Isles but around the corner. Whilst the work of Supporters Direct has brought a great deal of support and aid to a number of clubs and supporters groups, the fans need something that is much more than a branch office of a bigger organisation.

In the recent past, SD have seemingly been forced to be more visible but let us not be fooled, if you are an ordinary fan, SD have no place for you. You cannot join, you cannot vote, and you cannot influence; so there is not much point. Building a democratic and fair vocal chord for Scottish football fans needs commitment from the bottom up to engage, enlist and enrich the chorus and chanting of disapproval or support for Scottish football.

That’s why I am in the SFSA – isn’t it time for the Scottish Government to take the bull, grasp the thistle and make the clear choice of removing money going all the way to London and giving it to a fans based organisation that represents them here in Scotland?

We think so… don’t you?

Join the SFSA today! It’s free

Donald Stewart

Donald Stewart

Donald C Stewart is a lifelong Ayr United fan; the brooding eyes, the depressed demeanour and likelihood to become excited at winning corners a give away. A former Director of Ayr United Football Academy, he is now their Fundraising Manager and Safeguarder. Formerly regular broadcaster for Kicktalk, contributor for Scotzine and now boxing correspondent for Ringside Report and Talking Baws.

124 Comments
  1. Homunculus

    Homunculus


    It seems JJ has a different take on recent developments than the media appear to favour. He has Mike Ashley taking control of Rangers.

    It comes at a good time for Mike Ashley who will be delighted that his next acquisition – Rangers Lite – will continue to have a formal relationship with his retail empire.

    If the Chinese consortium can arrive at a deal to buy Ashley’s majority interest in Newcastle United FC, the retail magnate will have no impediment to using Lite as a conduit to improved market share in Europe. He has two years to forge deals prior to Brexit kicking in.

    Ashley could have had King’s thick spiv head on a cocktail stick, but he has his eyes firmly on the big picture.

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  2. Allyjambo

    Allyjambo


    This announcement of more directors’ loans; I take it they have been made because they are, well, required, as in absolutely necessary to stay solvent, and not just for the sake of these RRM’s love of TRFC.

    Now, we recently saw the club, or was it the holding company, issue a set of unaudited accounts that were anything but healthy, unless you consider ‘not as bad as they might have been’ to be healthy. And of course, ‘unaudited’ means no one knows (outside of the Blue Room) how accurate and honest those accounts were/are – and it was not in TRFC/RIFC’s interest to make them look worse than audited accounts might have otherwise shown.

    These accounts showed that, at the very least, TRFC/RIFC had made yet another loss at a level greater than that allowed within UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations, and many people were surprised, indeed disgusted, that TRFC were granted a European Licence, with the never ending directors’ loans a very distinct ‘no no’ as far as passing FFP regulations are concerned.

    So, how can it be that this latest round of loans doesn’t further breach FFP? Could even Regan and his TRFC facing cohorts have passed TRFC as FFP compliant knowing that even more loans were required within a month of the season finishing? They must be even more complicit, than even we give them (dis)credit for, if they did. I do wonder if word of the SD deal was what it took to convince the SFA to grant the licence, and stave off complaints from other clubs, most notably, Hearts. But did they, the SFA, and the other clubs know that more loans were required, and that they were required so soon?

    Much has been made of Hearts (though I’d include every other club that might care about the future of our game) not raising merry hell over the granting of the licence, but I suspect the SFA/Regan produced some story that put the others in their place (the SD deal?), but I wonder how they all feel now, now that they’re watching, with the rest of us, a club with massive debt rebuilding a team (again) at a cost way outside the reaches of all but Celtic, by spending money they do not have!

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  3. Highlander

    Highlander


    “He made a very poor impression as a witness.”

    “He is a mendacious witness whose evidence should not be accepted on any issue unless it is supported by objective evidence.”
     
    “It is remarkable that (he) showed no sign of embarrassment or any emotion when he conceded that he had lied to the commissioner in a number of his income tax returns. In our assessment, he is a glib and shameless liar.”
     
    “As his evidence progressed, it became clear that he has no respect for the truth and does not hesitate to lie, or at least misrepresent the facts, if he thinks it will be to his advantage.”
     
    “There can be little doubt that on most occasions Mr King lied, as he knew the correct facts and obviously decided to misrepresent these facts. He is extremely arrogant and obviously thinks that whatever he says is so.”
     
    The above quotes from High Court Judge, Brian Smallwood, ought to be remembered when dissecting Dave King’s Sports Direct statement of yesterday.
     
    Surely even the most gullible supporters in the land aren’t going to be duped yet again?
     
    Even as someone with only a passing interest in the goings on at Ibrox, I knew King was lying throughout his televised statement. How? His lips were moving.

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  4. aclydefan


    I’m wondering if there is an issue with the flash type adverts causing the page to jump to the ad as it starts playing. I’m seeing that on win10 machine using edge browser. Confirmed this by using two other machines, which did exactly the same.

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  5. Allyjambo

    Allyjambo


    Update from the offshore game.

    http://www.theoffshoregame.net/corrupt-or-incompetent-sfa/

    Something often raised on SFM is, why do the SMSM never report having asked the big questions of the SFA and or TRFC/RFC when their questions go unanswered? As can be seen in this Offshore Game piece, it’s actually quite easy – and enlightening! In fact, it’s pretty good journalism, as evidenced here with this short excerpt:

    ‘Is the SFA interested in running a fair competition for all clubs in Scotland? Is it capable?
    We asked the SFA whether the evidence in the Whyte trial had compelled them to rethink their position, they did not answer our request for comment.’

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  6. easyJambo


    A couple of historical CoS decisions relating to Charles Green’s claim for legal costs to be met by the club have just been published today.

    https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=74af36a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

    https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=6eaf36a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

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  7. easyJambo


    One CoS action due to be held tomorrow:

    LORD SUMMERS
    PETITION DEPARTMENT
    UNSTARRED MOTIONS
    P565/17 Note: HMA to vary rest order re Craig Whyte COPFS

    I assume that this is just the formal tidy up to remove any remaining restrictions on Whyte following his trial.  There is no requirement for Counsel to be in attendance.

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  8. easyJambo


    Despite going over old ground it is probably worth having a look at paragraphs 23 and 24 of the appeal judges decision in the Green legal costs case (the second link above).

    It’s a discussion about the what is the “club”.  The appeal judges appeared to disagree with Lord Doherty (Lord Ordinary) to some extent, and made reference to the LNS view,  but closed the discussion with “Accepting for present purposes that it exists in some amorphous and limited way, it nevertheless has no legal entity apart from that of its owners from time to time.”  ……. “In our view the arguments of the respondents (RIFC) in this case would rob the wording of the clause in relation to the Rangers Football Club of any meaning, and it cannot have been the intention of parties to do so.”

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  9. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    Attachment

    missed a deadline that has not arrived yet

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  10. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    Phil going with what we said yesterday.
    https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/06/22/how-to-market-a-favourable-settlement/
    His 44 magnum invoice was for unsold stock and the attendant costs from warehousing and handling etc.
    The sevco high command couldn’t pay it,but now The people will take care of that.
    How much had that potential invoice grown to?
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    CLUSTER ONEJUNE 21, 2017 at 18:12       16 Votes 
    Was it a case of we can’t pay for unsold stock.So let’s do a deal that let’s the fans buy last years strip at this years price. that will give SD the money they would have received for unsold stock.or am i way off course?and does this bring to an end the court case with king and SD?
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    Hope Phil is ok that i used part of his blog.

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  11. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    ACLYDEFANJUNE 22, 2017 at 11:58       7 Votes 
    I’m wondering if there is an issue with the flash type adverts causing the page to jump to the ad as it starts playing. I’m seeing that on win10 machine using edge browser. Confirmed this by using two other machines, which did exactly the same.
    ———————
    I’m getting a big AD at the start over the last couple of day’s

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  12. Smugas


    Au contraire EJ @ 18.03.

    i think you’ll find
    “arguments of the respondents (RIFC) in this case would rob the wording of the clause in relation to the Rangers Football Club of any meaning”
    was precisely the effect they were looking for.  And not just them either!

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  13. upthehoops


    I’ve been reading that the ‘new’ Rangers strip deal will net them £5m. If they release audited accounts then it shouldn’t be too difficult to establish the facts.

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  14. upthehoops


    CLUSTER ONEJUNE 22, 2017 at 19:08 
     missed a deadline that has not arrived yet

    ==============================

    Them pesky facts again. 

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  15. StevieBC

    StevieBC


    Yes, Phil suggesting that TRFC has ‘dodged 2 bullets’ from Ashley.

    Seems like TRFC reps were not in any position to negotiate either.

    So, if Big Mike held all the cards…you would think his conditions would also include the departure of a certain, well dodgy, unsmiling chancer from South Africa ? 22

    Use him to make the public announcement, get the bears spending their cash again on the merchandise…and then the glib one is unceremoniously advised – at the most opportune time – to please p!ss off ?

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  16. StevieBC

    StevieBC


    From the Mirror;

    FA terminate £4m Ladbrokes commercial deal after agreeing to end sponsorship with all betting companies
    The move follows the decision made in May that the FA would end all sponsorships with betting companies

    The rationale for the move, which will see the FA give up a reported £4million a year in lost revenue, is that the governing body cannot enforce the strict anti-gambling rules for those involved in the game while earning money to help promote gambling…”
    ====================================
    Fair play to the FA.

    …and I wonder what the SFA has to say…?

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  17. Homunculus

    Homunculus


    UPTHEHOOPS
    JUNE 22, 2017 at 19:45
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    I posted about that the other day UTH.

    It makes no sense.

    Forget this year, where they are selling them for £20, the old stock of last years shirts. Let’s consider future years, where they will need a new manufacturer and retailing partner before they can really do anything. 

    If they were to make £10 on each shirt, after VAT and corporation tax (though historic losses will cover that), they would need to sell 500,000 of them. 

    Do you think they will sell half a million shirts and make £12 profit on each of them.

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  18. upthehoops


    HOMUNCULUSJUNE 22, 2017 at 20:48  
    I posted about that the other day UTH.
    It makes no sense.
    Forget this year, where they are selling them for £20, the old stock of last years shirts. Let’s consider future years, where they will need a new manufacturer and retailing partner before they can really do anything. 
    If they were to make £10 on each shirt, after VAT and corporation tax (though historic losses will cover that), they would need to sell 500,000 of them. 
    Do you think they will sell half a million shirts and make £12 profit on each of them.

    =============================

    I don’t think they will, although they do have a very strong support in Scotland. The media seem willing to do the bidding for them on this one. I’ve read it was an invited group of compliant hacks at the Press Conference yesterday although I don’t know if that’s true. It’s all about creating a feelgood factor, and it is very reminiscent of last summer.  How did that all work out again?

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  19. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    HOMUNCULUSJUNE 22, 2017 at 20:48
    Is the 500,000 number a lucky number down ibrox way?
    The Rangers Fans Fighting Fund will not pass on their £500,000 kitty to the Ibrox board.
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    The Rangers Supporters Trust secures more than £500,000 for legal fight.
    ———-
    500,000 reasons for Rangers to be cheerful. Rangers’ fans have backed their heroes. RANGERS will smash through the half-million barrier in home league attendances.
    ————-
    Rangers First and the Dave King £500k row:
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    In the latest Rangers transfer news, Chelsea have secured the signing of Gers U16 midfielder Billy Gilmour for a reported fee of £500,000.
    ———-
    Rangers will do all they can to avoid paying £500,000 surcharge for Newcastle loanees.
    ————-
    Rangers board in crisis talks after emergency £500,000 loan.
    ———
    Newcastle United due £500,000 windfall if Rangers win promotion to the SPL
    ———-
    In the latest Rangers transfer news, Championship side Norwich have asked the Gers to add another £500,000 to their inital £1million Graham Dorrans bid.
    ————
    Rangers fans reckon this is the biggest hint yet that Jamie Walker could be on … Rangers’ £500,000 Jamie Walker bid is rejected by Hearts as Jambos hold out for …

    Rangers should act as Ross County’s Liam Boyce’s £500,000 release clause comes to light

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  20. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    UPTHEHOOPSJUNE 22, 2017 at 21:13       Rate This 
    HOMUNCULUSJUNE 22, 2017 at 20:48  I posted about that the other day UTH.It makes no sense.Forget this year, where they are selling them for £20, the old stock of last years shirts. Let’s consider future years, where they will need a new manufacturer and retailing partner before they can really do anything. If they were to make £10 on each shirt, after VAT and corporation tax (though historic losses will cover that), they would need to sell 500,000 of them. Do you think they will sell half a million shirts and make £12 profit on each of them.
    ———————–
    “Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth,” Hugh Adam.
    http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/adam-shakes-ibrox-pillars-with-warning-of-bankruptcy-1-595808
    ————
    new manufacture,charles green won that tall tail.
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-chief-charles-green-set-1335458

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  21. jimbo

    jimbo


    Sorry to be pedantic but TRFC will not have a retail partner in the next season.  They will be THE retailer alone in their ‘megastore and on-line’   In SD stores they will have a 50-50 share in the profits.  In all cases SD will be the wholesaler. 

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  22. Auldheid


    An update on Res12 in podcast form taking information from Craig Whyte trial into consideration :
    https://audioboom.com/posts/6040604-the-celtic-underground-res-12-a-full-thorough-update

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  23. John Clark


    Cluster OneJune 22, 2017 at 21:23
    ‘..Is the 500,000 number a lucky number down ibrox way?’
    _____________
    As said before,the travails of TRFC are only of secondary interest to me: I just want them to be recognised as NOT being entitled to claim even the honestly won trophies and titles of the ‘awaiting dissolution ‘of the 1872 RFC, and, more importantly, I want the SFA liars and cheats to be hounded out of office for maintaining the absurd nonsense that TRFC are their old Rangers.

    But I enjoyed your post, and I am impressed at  both  your powers of recollection and your recording and filing system
    .
    I’ve been trying to find, in my own inadedequate records of the CF material, the little request from TRFC to the Administrators for permission to field ,for their first ( club 12!)game, players whose registrations were still with the club in administration.

    I’ve got it somewhere, but I’m damned if I can find it. And me an auld civil servant what ought to know how to keep records!

    easyJambo’s links to past judgments that have only now been made public, particularly Lord Doherty’s, together with my re-reading of the Advertising Standards Authority’s ‘assessment’ of the 82 complaints made about the untruthfulness of the claim made by TRFC to be the Rangers of old, seem to me to prove that both the Courts and the ASA were sold a bunch of mince. Or allowed themselves to be misled.

    The ASA in particular seem to have simply accepted the ‘evidence’ provided by TRFC and the SFA, neither of which bodies, as we know, are in the least George Washington-like.(ach, silly me! I meant only in respect of the wee story about George cutting down the whatever tree and not lying about his deed. I imagine that in some other respects the George was very SFA-like)

    The ASA is currently running its own ad on Classic FM , with its line that ‘if it’s not truthful, honest and decent it mustn’t run’. I heard it a few times in recent days, and my blood boils each time I hear it

    I want to have another go at them, on the grounds that they themselves are less than than truthful, honest and decent in that they failed to properly investigate the facts of the ‘myth’ for themselves but relied simply on what interested and self-protective parties told them.

    And read eJ’s link to Lord Doherty’s summary of the background to CG’s claim to have his legal costs paid. The implicit acceptance of ‘change of ownership’ of a continuing club.
    And read the ASA’s ‘assessment’ of the ‘complaint’, an assessment based on what Ibrox told them.

    God Almighty, I almost despair!

    But if you have that wee CF thingy that, to me, points up the fact that CG’s team was a quite different legal beast from the ‘in Administration’ beast, I’d be ( not surprised!) but grateful.

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  24. bigboab1916


    John ClarkJune 23, 2017 at 00:24
    “The ASA is currently running its own ad on Classic FM , with its line that ‘if it’s not truthful, honest and decent it mustn’t run’. I heard it a few times in recent days, and my blood boils each time I hear it”

    John ask ASA, when you write, if Mr Kinloch has a case with which to appeal as the ASA team have stated the club to be the same.
    There is no relegation for Administration and there would not have been enough points deducted to see a second position team relegated.
    Why would they find themselves in the lower leaugues and playing Brechin in a cup round under the name of Sevco.
    Administration will only result in relegation if they faced Hearts scenario below.
    But, if the SPL board decides there has been a rule breach regarding an insolvency event prior to the season’s end, any subsequent action will apply to this campaign.
    That could mean that Hearts are deducted a third of the 52 points they earned in season 2011/12.
    Hearts can run perfectly well on their own and surely they can’t put them down, they are too big a clubBilly BrownFormer Hearts assistant managerRounded up, the loss of 18 points would mean they finish bottom of the table, behind Dundee.

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  25. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    Attachment

    JOHN CLARKJUNE 23, 2017 at 00:24
    .I’ve been trying to find, in my own inadedequate records of the CF material, the little request from TRFC to the Administrators for permission to field ,for their first ( club 12!)game, players whose registrations were still with the club in administration.
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    is this what you are looking for?

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  26. upthehoops


    AULDHEIDJUNE 23, 2017 at 00:23  
    An update on Res12 in podcast form taking information from Craig Whyte trial into consideration :https://audioboom.com/posts/6040604-the-celtic-underground-res-12-a-full-thorough-upda

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    I thought this was excellent Auldheid, as you already know!

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  27. upthehoops


    I’ve just read on another Forum that if another liquidation event happened at Ibrox that there is now a rule in place for ‘Rangers’ to remain in the top league, no matter what anyone else thinks. Does anyone know if this is true? If it is true then why doesn’t every club in the top league with debt simply stop paying bills, taxes etc, liquidate then start with a clean financial state? 

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  28. John Clark


    Cluster OneJune 23, 2017 at 07:06
    ‘…is this what you are looking for?’
    _______________
    That’s the very dab! Thank you, C1

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  29. blu


    UPTHEHOOPSJUNE 23, 2017 at 07:54
    I’ve just read on another Forum that if another liquidation event happened at Ibrox that there is now a rule in place for ‘Rangers’ to remain in the top league, no matter what anyone else thinks. Does anyone know if this is true? If it is true then why doesn’t every club in the top league with debt simply stop paying bills, taxes etc, liquidate then start with a clean financial state? 

    uth, there surely isn’t a rule for every incarnation of ‘Rangers’ to stay in the Premiership forever. Is there a source for that claim – is there something in the the SPFL Articles of Association or updated rules of the SPFL?
    There was an announcement by the SPFL in September 2016 on FFP, which may appeal to Rangers and other clubs:

    Financial Fair Play
    During the course of Season 2016/2017 a system of Financial Fair Play is likely to be introduced. The details of the system are currently the subject of consultation and it is unlikely that such a system will become fully operational until Season 2019/2020 with a programme of phased implementation for Ladbrokes Premiership Clubs only being intended.More details will be provided in due course.

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  30. jimbo

    jimbo


    Jambos,  came across this from your club website, it’s a time lapse video of the construction of the new main stand.  I’ts going to be very impressive!
    http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5969

    Now if only those pesky moaners in Aberdeen would let the Dons get on with their new stadium.  Can’t understand it, an outstanding stadium the city could be proud of, increased capacity to help the finances of the club and facilities included for the local community.

    While I’m on it, I wish the two Dundee clubs would get together and build a new stadium on a ground share basis, the savings in operational costs would be considerable I would imagine.  Between them they own plenty of land for training facilities.  I would install a new hybrid pitch such as Celtic are currently laying to withstand the extra matches played.  Would require a hefty bit of finance but pay it back over twenty years or something like that.  Simples 19

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  31. easyJambo


    Further historical High Court judgements published yesterday, with links to the Fraud trial.

    HMA v Withey and Grier appeal re privileged evidence
    https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=7aaf36a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

    Whitehouse and Clark v HMA re the extension of the 12 month limit on starting proceedings
    https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=80af36a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

    Whyte v HMA re the definition of a Fraud
    https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=86af36a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

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  32. upthehoops


    I’m sure this is just a co-incidence from the newly released fixtures for next season, although it’s a strange imbalance and anything can happen post-split. Are Rangers almost certain already to host a top five club three times at Ibrox? Let’s say the top five next season are the same as last season. Rangers will not be made to play 4 out of 5 post split games away from home. 

    Rangers 8 H & 4 A games pre-split against top 5 clubs
    Aberdeen 5H & 7A
    Celtic 6H & 6A 

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  33. Auldheid


    Easy Jambo 12.42

    So on the basis of:
    Lord Hunter in the same case, also at page 61, stated that:-
    “A fraud may be committed, although in the result the person defrauded may not have suffered any pecuniary loss.  The essence of the offence consists in inducing the person who is defrauded either to take some article he would not otherwise have taken, or to do some act he would not otherwise have done, or to become the medium of some unlawful act.”
    This in turn led to the very familiar passage in McDonald’s Criminal Law, 5th edition p52, that:
    “Fraud involves a false pretence made dishonestly in order to bring about some definite practical result. It is not necessary that the result should be actual gain to the offender or actual loss to some victim. Where the practical result is achieved, the fraud is complete.”
    Now that we know wtc  side letters were deliberately concealed from HMRC in 2005  when other side letters for btc were also held, Lord Nimmo Smith’s view that there was no question of dishonesty on the part of the same person or persons keeping the same documentation from the SFA is no longer credible, we are talking fraud on Scottish football from the first use of ebts with side letters.
    Similarly in 2011 when the same wtc ebts caused a liability that RFC had to accept because of the foregoing dishonesty, but recorded it in their accounts as potential when it no longer was, which allowed entry into the CL, Celtic and the club below them that would have been given a Europa League place were also victims of fraud.
    This appears to be of no concern to the club’s supporters and some concern to some shareholders but the attempts by the SFA and SPL/SPFL to portray what took place as anything other than the fraud that  it was is as disgraceful as the smsm echoing the same sentiment instead of the truth.
    However if supporters are happy to be deceived and pay for the privilege why should clubs care?

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  34. StevieBC

    StevieBC


    Guessing by Keef’s latest effort, where revisionism is in full flow, together with a shameless smattering of butt kissing of ‘royal proportions’…

    …he is frantically working on a reprieve from his Ibrox ban?

    09

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  35. easyJambo


    Sky Sports Scotland‏Verified account @ScotlandSky 7m7 minutes ago   BREAKING NEWS Mike Ashley has sold his entire shareholding of Rangers to Club 1872 & Hong Kong based investor Julian Wolhardt. #SSNHQ

    From Club1872

    Share Purchase Announcement

    Dear member,

    Club 1872 is pleased to announce the purchase of a significant block of shares in Rangers International Football Club PLC (RIFC) – representing 4.46% of the total shares in the company. These shares have been purchased from MASH Holdings Limited.

    Club 1872’s acquisition takes our shareholding in RIFC over 10%, a significant marker in our progress as a shareholder/investor in RIFC. We now hold 10.71%, making Club 1872 the second largest shareholder in RIFC.

    We are delighted that our members’ support for Club 1872 has brought us to a point where we can acquire these shares and complete the process of restoring control of RIFC to those who view the footballing success of Rangers FC as being just as important as RIFC’s careful stewardship financially.

    Club 1872 allows Rangers supporters to help safeguard the future of our Club. Taking our shareholding above 10% puts us well on our way to that goal.

    Our next ambition is to reach out to those Rangers supporters who are not already members of Club 1872 and encourage them to join. Together we can achieve great things for our Club.

    The remaining shares held by MASH Holdings Limited have been purchased by Julian Wolhardt, the CEO of Dehong Capital Partners, a Hong Kong based private equity firm.

    That amounts to half of Mash’s holding going to each party.

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  36. Homunculus

    Homunculus


    With regards the Appeal Courts ruling re Whyte, it is worth bearing in mind that they are discussing common law fraud and not statutory fraud. 

    For example a VAT fraud does have to involve a loss and a gain. The person involved either doesn’t pay money they should have, or receives a repayment they shouldn’t.

    For tax fraud it would be a statutory fraud for PAYE and self assessment, but common law fraud for corporation tax as their is no statutory provision as far as I am aware. 

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  37. Charlie_Kelly


    Does anyone have the following information to hand.
    1 – How much did Ashley pay per share when he first bought them?
    2 – How much has he sold them for per share?
    3 – What price per share was Dave King ordered to pay by the takeover panel?
    I think the answers to these questions could tell us a lot as to what is going on here and who’s in control so to speak.

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  38. easyJambo


    Charlie_Kelly June 23, 2017 at 16:04 
    Does anyone have the following information to hand. 1 – How much did Ashley pay per share when he first bought them? 2 – How much has he sold them for per share? 3 – What price per share was Dave King ordered to pay by the takeover panel? I think the answers to these questions could tell us a lot as to what is going on here and who’s in control so to speak.
    ========================
    In Oct 2012 he spent £1.5m on 3m shares (half at 99p and half at 1p), so at an average 50p

    In Sep 2014 he spent £850K on buying 4.265m shares, at an approximate 20p a share.

    Average price per share 32.35p

    Total investment £2.35m. Total return £2m @ 27.5p a share.

    King was asked to pay 20p a share.

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  39. Charlie_Kelly


    Ok so he’s cutting his loses but he’s still getting more than he would have got had King gone through with his offer of 20p per share.

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  40. easyJambo


    A sensible decision from Celtic should they have to go to Belfast to face Linfield in the CL qualifiers.

    “No tickets will be available for Celtic supporters for the match. The safety and security of all Celtic supporters travelling and attending matches is of paramount importance to the club.”

    I understand that Rangers have already sold out their allocation for the game. 07

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  41. upthehoops


    EASYJAMBOJUNE 23, 2017 at 16:29  
    A sensible decision from Celtic should they have to go to Belfast to face Linfield in the CL qualifiers.
    “No tickets will be available for Celtic supporters for the match. The safety and security of all Celtic supporters travelling and attending matches is of paramount importance to the club.”

    ====================

    I agree it is a sensible decision EJ, although a lot of Celtic fans are not happy at all about it. It does concern me though that if safety can’t be guaranteed, then why is this game being allowed to go ahead in Belfast? UEFA have moved games before for safety reasons. I can’t help thinking the Scottish media will be more disappointed than anyone though, given the number of times they’ve used the word ‘powderkeg’ these past few days. I do however have a genuine worry for the safety of the Celtic players and management. Opposition players have been attacked on the field of play at Windsor Park in the past. This game should definitely have been moved away from Belfast IMO. 

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  42. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    UPTHEHOOPSJUNE 23, 2017 at 16:56
    It does concern me though that if safety can’t be guaranteed, then why is this game being allowed to go ahead in Belfast?
    ————–
    And why is a club that can’t guarantee the safety of travelling fans, allowed to take part in a european competition?

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  43. Cluster One

    Cluster One


     A little point that may have been lost in all the retail news and share buying was a footnote at the end of some articles…….Kind said  that the Mark warburton’s legal threat over his sacking  by rangers in February has failed to materialise.He said i haven’t heard from mark warburton i regard that threat of  litigation as nothing more than frivolous.It has disappeared  and it has gone.
    ———-
    Now i have no doubt that Mr king has not heard from mark warburton as his case was taken up by the  England’s League Managers association,who are  dealing with the case.
    ————-
    Legal experts from England’s League Managers have taken up Warburton’s case after he was unexpectedly forced out of Ibrox.
    ———————
    Would the England’s League Managers association if asked. confirm or deny that the case has ended or not.?

                                                            

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  44. jimbo

    jimbo


    I wish I lived in a parallel universe where Linfield played Celtic on the twelfth, the South of Ireland played The North on the 11th.  Without the need for police time off being cancelled.  Just a feast of football with no side issues. 

    Maybe one day? 04

    (Celtic to win of course!)

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  45. theoldcourse


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40386013
    I note with amusement the following lines in the story

    “Rangers chairman Dave King has announced further investment of £1m by 44-year-old Julian Wolhardt.”

    “The fans’ group did not state the value of its investment in RIFC but King, on the Rangers website, said that Wolhardt and Club 1872 had “each made a £1m investment in shares”.”

    Silly me I thought that for it to be an investment then the club would receive the proceeds from the share sale. Unless of course its an investment in MASH holdings. Words are very important.

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  46. Homunculus

    Homunculus


    Newsflash

    Shares in PLC sold.

    PLC makes absolutely no money from these transactions.

    Wholly owned subsidiary of PLC makes absolutely no money from these transactions.

    Only the person selling the shares receives any money. The price paid for the shares.

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  47. Highlander

    Highlander


    Two or three days ago, JJ revealed in an exclusive article provided by his ‘source’ that Mike Ashley was finalising arrangements to sell Newcastle United before taking full control at Ibrox.

    Somewhat unsurprisingly, that article has disappeared from JJ’s site in the light of recent events.

    Perhaps JJ’s ‘source’ involved the reading of tea leaves or the toss of a coin, although my personal ‘source’ reveals exclusively that he mistakenly used HP Source, as in Hardly Plausible.

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  48. Cluster One

    Cluster One


    Finally, we note that the Supreme Court judgment over Rangers’ appeal of the much bigger tax avoidance scheme (the imaginatively named ‘big tax case’) is due any time now.
    http://www.theoffshoregame.net/corrupt-or-incompetent-sfa/
    ————–
    At first i believe it was said it may be Oct 2017 for any news on the Supreme Court judgment over Rangers’ appeal of the much bigger tax avoidance scheme. And not i read somewhere it could be july 2017.
    Has anyone better information on the date? 

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  49. Homunculus

    Homunculus


    Can someone enlighten me.

    It appears Dave King is now talking about fighting the Takeover Panel decision.

    It is my understanding that someone complained to them and they ruled that he had led a concert party. He appealed that decision, and lost that appeal. They ruled that he had to offer every other shareholder 20p for their shares. He didn’t do that and they have petitioned the Court of Session to enforce their ruling.

    Surely it is just a matter for the CoS to decide how to enforce the decision. It’s not a matter of them now deciding whether it was correct or not.

    Have I picked some of that up incorrectly. 

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