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  1. Ernest Becker


    read downfall,

    I don’t read revisionist history,he got a tip off, he hoped it would bankrupt RFC, it didn’t, CW did.

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  2. normanbatesmumfc

    normanbatesmumfc


    Ernest Becker says;

    “There is a big difference between converting loans into shares and not getting it back for goodness sake !!”

    Try telling that to the shareholders in the original club, (now in liquidation) 

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  3. bigboab1916


    Ernest BeckerDecember 13, 2017 at 01:27
    read downfall, I don’t read revisionist history,he got a tip off, he hoped it would bankrupt RFC, it didn’t, CW did.

    Out of curiosity how much money was in the kitty when CW came in i recall he had to have 6 mill for running costs and 18 for the bank and he tapped this from ticketus not really bankrupting the club is it?
    I mean big Davie Murray if hed known would have sqaured this eh.
    “The money used to pay the bank debt was Ticketus money, which became the club’s money”,
    eh no it became CW’s money it would have been the fans money had he decided to stick around as they would pay of the loans, but he never did , the fans lost the club and the massive creditors debts to the taxman written off in liquidation, the owner became bankrupt and let big davie boy off the hook and the huniliation .
    “He then arranged a loan to Wavetower to pay the debt.
    Not exactly bankruting the club more like making himself bankrupt taking loans and doing a favour for the old boys network. The club was already bankrupt mate if you had read downfall Martin Bain was tipped off Big Davie Boy hitting the road mate, yer EBTs are no worth a toss.
    Hope you are not a wordsmith like the other tosser over on the moon, see you later off to the game to support my team, keep that history intact.

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  4. Allyjambo

    Allyjambo


    bigboab1916December 13, 2017 at 18:00 
    Ernest BeckerDecember 13, 2017 at 01:27read downfall, I don’t read revisionist history,he got a tip off, he hoped it would bankrupt RFC, it didn’t, CW did.
    Out of curiosity how much money was in the kitty when CW came in i recall he had to have 6 mill for running costs and 18 for the bank and he tapped this from ticketus not really bankrupting the club is it?…
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    The thing is, it doesn’t matter who killed RFC (though I agree with you, Boab), Rangers are deid, and Phil got that 100% right! Nice to see, though, that our visiting troll agrees that someone bankrupted the club.

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  5. Ernest Becker


    The club was already bankrupt mate if you had read downfall 

    Mate, i have read through Insolvency Law and cannot for the life of me find the term  ” already bankrupt appropos Phil “.
    Sounds Greek to me.

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  6. Ernest Becker


    No.  It was profit dependent,

    Yeah, that is why CFC made a 7 million loss in 2011-12 gambling on CL qualification, it is called the SDM business model,had they failed to qualify they were stuck with this wage bill for at least 2/3 years and annual losses of 7 million.
    They got rid of their rivals to double their chances and had a punt, a punt financed by secured lending.

    Anyone who thinks flogging players back in 2011-12 would have solved CL failure losses better think again@
    No CL, no RFC and a team devoid of stars?????

     £100 discount wouldn’t have saved the day, they would have lost a fortune with huge fixed overheads and the Golden Era becomes a Golden Shower.

    CFC £90.6 million
    Accies -1 million.

    Pffft.

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  7. Ernest Becker


    I would crowd fund money to send John James to the moon where he can howl at the flat earth.

    The sooner JC gets him on a couch the better.

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  8. Auldheid


    Ernest BeckerDecember 14, 2017 at 00:11
    No.  It was profit dependent,
    Yeah, that is why CFC made a 7 million loss in 2011-12 gambling on CL qualification, it is called the SDM business model,had they failed to qualify they were stuck with this wage bill for at least 2/3 years and annual losses of 7 million.
    They got rid of their rivals to double their chances and had a punt, a punt financed by secured lending.
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    Sheer tripe. Believe that and you will believe anything.
    Celtic’s wage bill had to be high to keep pace with the financially doped one at RFC including ebts, but not high enough that player sales would not offset the risk. The sale of McGeady in Aug 2010 for £9.5m kept the wolf from the door that year. 
    EBTS were still being offered to signings in 2008 when with £25m to £40m BTC tax bill on the table at Ibrox,RFC splurged £10m on players to take the titles in 2009/10/11. They actually spent around £21m but net spend after receipts from 3 transfers was £10m. These figures can be demonstrated
    RFC got rid of themselves and started the process in 2008, although to be fair, like the Spanish Inquisition they never saw the bank crash of October 2008 when the money tap was turned off. 
    If you are going to tell porkie pies try and get some facts to fill them. 

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  9. Dunderheid


    On this Ernest Becker Troll (EBT) carbuncle …

    I am instinctively against censorship, even of such as this fifth columnist from the fourth estate, armed with a sack full of familiar old squirrels.

    However, we (by which I mean many of this site’s big hitters) do seem to be going round in circles with this joker.

    While I understand that it’s good to practice one’s replies to old saws such as those being regurgitated (ad nauseam) by EBT, is it really necessary to keep doing so?

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  10. Ernest Becker


    Rubbish, when Juninho went to Celtic he had an EBT from Middlesborough, Celtic approached HMRC and asked about them (they were unkknown to Celtic at the time) to be told that HMRC regarded them as illegal and tax evasion, as such Celtic paid the tax due.

    Not sure why CFC would be liable to pay tax on a Middlesborough EBT?

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  11. Ernest Becker


    I very much doubt RFC will be offloading some poor performing high wage earners in January,nobody would be stupid enough to pay their wages and i doubt they will move for less.

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  12. Ernest Becker


    Celtic took one look and thought ‘Naw.’  Warm?

    CFC had second thoughts may be warmer, if my memory serves me they repaid over £650,000 some months after agreeing to an EBT,not sure if any side letter was involved.

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  13. Ernest Becker


    I cannot see any problem with RFC using lending facilities and share conversion as a legitimate method of realising a historic domestic turnover,as long as it complies with FFP rules.
    I accept there is some risk but compared to SDM’s madness it is frugal by comparison.
    My position on RFC’s strategy is unchanged,much ado about nothing,one cannot expect the biggest club in Scotland to just sit back and accept mediocrity, Rangers is concomitant with glory.

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  14. Ernest Becker


    JOHN CLARK
    DECEMBER 15, 2017 at 12:57

    I suspect this will be the one and only time i am in complete agreement with you.

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  15. roddybhoy


    Jeezo !! Deliberately stayed away from the site for about 2-3 weeks because the site was being led down a dead end by the troll that is Ernest Becker …..came back tonight and hes still here and we are still indulging …..Get a F@@@ing grip guys ( and Girls ) 01

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  16. Allyjambo

    Allyjambo


    roddybhoyDecember 15, 2017 at 22:06 
    Jeezo !! Deliberately stayed away from the site for about 2-3 weeks because the site was being led down a dead end by the troll that is Ernest Becker …..came back tonight and hes still here and we are still indulging …..Get a F@@@ing grip guys ( and Girls )
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    Couple of points on ignoring trolls.

    Ignoring them completely might well look to an occasional visitor that we can’t counter their point/argument;
    and each time they bring up some old argument it gives us the opportunity to revisit the facts which can refresh our thoughts on it and also raise things, in the light of what we know now, that we hadn’t thought of or realised before.

    Of course, engaging with them does seem to encourage them, so might I suggest that instead of arguing with them directly, we take the point they (try to) make and, without mentioning them or quoting them, proceed to revisit the facts they choose to ignore/misrepresent?

    So, if they have even the slightest modicum of self-awareness, they will realise that what they are doing is presenting us with an opportunity to post the things they hate to read, while their presence isn’t even acknowledged. Hopefully that modicum of self-awareness will lead to an eventual disappearing act. If they have no self-awareness, nothing we do, including ignoring them completely, will dampen their ardour.

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  17. Ernest Becker


    I am just saying that you do not need to own or control 25% of the PLC to be a person with significant control. 
    Not sure about this,no point in insisting on a declaration if it is meaningless.

    If i had to blindly guess the significance of the persons involved i would suggest one has been appointed to represent the interests of non-supporter investors and the other represents New Oasis to put some distance between DK and the family trust.It may be necessary to avoid DK being involved with too many shares when a share issue takes place.

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  18. Ernest Becker


    No, the SFA were quite prepared to let  Hearts  die, as a consequence of the mismanagement by the Russo/Lithuanian, 

    Oh i believe had Hearts gone into liquidation the SFA would have accommodated them much like RFC, as long as the same conditions were met they could hardly do otherwise.

    In my opinion.

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  19. Ernest Becker


    Had a wee look at the Hearts insolvency affair and it struck me as rather ironic that had Hearts gone into liquidation on or around mid April they would have been unable to complete their fixtures.
    Now if memory serves this would have terminated their membership,the club would have died and a new club would have to apply.
    They should have put the COMPANY into liquidation in the summer of 2013, Bidco buys the assets and history,requests a membership transfer to Bidco and avoid the risk of complete extinction by pursuing a very risky CVA during the season.

    Maybe the creditors would have got more than buttons from an asset sale.

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  20. Ernest Becker


    Good Evening and Welcome.

    Tonight’s topic. ” The importance of being earnest ”
    I find it interesting the most competitive and absorbing tier of Scottish football over the last few years has been the Championship and this league has seen significant growth in support.
    In fact one could argue there is little between this division and the bottom six of the top tier.
    The cause of this levelling out effect seems obvious to me,Rangers spent 2 years in this division and at the other end spent 4 years out of the top tier.
     All top tier clubs felt the commercial pain of Rangers 4 year absence and Championship teams received 2 years commercial benefits.
    I don’t find this particularly amazing given RFC’s huge market share but i do find it baffling when some deny the vital importance of RFC to Scottish football then and now.
    Therefore i say this in all earnest to those who continue to pray for the demise of RFC,be careful what you wish for because without RFC our diddy leagues will become the Irish League and your kids and grand kids will be wearing EPL strips on holiday.

    Instead of focusing on the negative aspects of Rangers away support try and focus on the much needed income they provide to all Scottish clubs,and a simple thanks would be nice.

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  21. Highlander

    Highlander


    ERNEST BECKER
    DECEMBER 18, 2017 at 23:03
    Instead of focusing on the negative aspects of Rangers away support try and focus on the much needed income they provide to all Scottish clubs,and a simple thanks would be nice.

    I have a cunning plan.

    What if we were to take no action following a football club’s decade or more of industrial scale cheating and leave all the ill-gotten titles and trophies in place – because they provide much needed income to all Scottish clubs?

    What if we were to pretend that a football club that died the same death of liquidation as Gretna and Third Lanark never actually died at all – because they provide much needed income to all Scottish clubs?

    What if we were to be in permanent thrall to a delinquent football club and its b*stard offspring and fail to apply rules, regulations and punishments as they would be applied to any other club – because they provide much needed income to all Scottish clubs?

    Oh wait! Someone has already applied my cunning plan.

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  22. sannoffymesssoitizz

    sannoffymesssoitizz


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42625322

    Airdrieonians have announced that the controlling shareholding in the club has been sold to new owners.

    The Airdrie Diamonds Limited have bought the stake from M&H Logistics Glasgow Limited.

    The Scottish League One outfit have also announced a new interim board, chaired by former manager Bobby Watson.

    And first-team coach Stephen Findlay has the “full support” of the board, who “believe in his coaching abilities and vision for the club”.

    Director of football Gordon Dalziel has, though, left the club by mutual consent.

    “With the club under new ownership, training is now reverting back to Excelsior Stadium for evening sessions through the week,” Airdrie said in a statement.

    “Unfortunately Gordon’s evening commitments with Radio Clyde don’t allow him to commit to both.

    “We have provided [Findlay] with a budget to strengthen the squad during January and confirmed that signings should have next season in mind.”

    Gordon Dalziel has left his position as Airdrie’s director of football, 15 months after joining the club

    Currently sixth in their division, Airdrie are five points outside the promotion play-off places after 20 games.

    They drew 0-0 with East Fife on Saturday and are next in action against Stranraer this coming Saturday.

    “When asked, we have clarified that our objectives from here are to stabilise the club in all departments and then advance,” the club said.

    “We hope all fans of Airdrieonians Football Club get behind us and support all endeavours on and off the pitch from here on.

    “Everyone involved at the club, whether they be supporters, playing staff, sponsors or directors, share the same objective of shaping a club that the town of Airdrie can be proud of.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airdrieonians_F.C.

    Airdrieonians Football Club are a Scottish professional football team based in Airdrie who are members of the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) and play in the SPFL Scottish League One. They were formed in 2002 as Airdrie United Football Club following the liquidation of the original club. The club’s official name was changed in 2013 with the approval of the SFA to the traditional name of Airdrieonians. As with the earlier team of the same name, this is often colloquially shortened to simply “Airdrie”.

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