Comment on One, er, Two Rules to Rule Them All by Finloch.

    Just seen on the BBC site that they going to show the Inverness v Hearts Scottish Cup semi on April 13.

    Nothing wrong with that per se and it could be a cracker of a tie.


    But it’s at Hampden which will mean vast empty swathes of seats which is daft because it could and should have been moved to a more suitable ground. 


    And the 12.15 kick off once again shows the SFA are just totally out of touch with the ordinary match-going fans. 


    This kind of nonsense happens way too often and is why we need a strong fans union who are consulted about what is right for us the real stakeholders.

    There should in fact be a simple policy in place agreed by fans for the fans.

    By that I don’t mean anything from Supporters Direct Scotland who pretend to represent us and send out some professionally produced emails but are in fact the SFA in house, token, tick- box effort. 


    We need a stronger fiercely independent and better resourced Scottish Football Supporters Association.

    Representatives who understand the real issues and don’t seem frightened to stand up for us all.

    Being independent of the SFA and the SPFL obviously makes a difference and is an essential starting point. 

    Finloch Also Commented

    One, er, Two Rules to Rule Them All
    Thanks Auldheid

    You might have also referred to the scheming villains at Spartans who played Culter in the Scottish cup with Keith Mcleod’s registration missing a signature on the second page.

    They were dealt with good and proper and sent away with a flea in their ear  

    Or some of the early 5 Way Agreement drafts which we’ve seen where from memory there were proposed deductions that somehow disappeared into the ether when Regan Doncaster et al decided to legitimise their new entity and doctor the allegedly purchased history.


    Regan wore out the word transparency in a particularly pompous scripted outpouring early in his shift and it’s still obviously recuperating far from the grasp of the SFA and the SPFL 


    Recent Comments by Finloch

    Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond
    Thanks for the updates and insights EJ and John.

    As I write Radio Shortbread has been on in the background for around an hour or so and there has been no mention of anything that happened at the AGM and in particular nothing on Resolution 12.


    I'd say the Celtic Board had enough time (6 years or so) and got their ducks in a row.

    They will be feeling happy that they have not been mandated by their shareholders to do anything more than make ticket allocations for away games more transparent.

    And the radio silence will be seen as a job well done.

    Celtic are not going to do anything other than carry on with the business.

    They know they have many shareholders who feel the club has let them down but they also know some fans might sympathise and even grumble a little but when it comes down to it most fans simply want to beat their local rivals, in what is (to fans of other clubs) essentially a Glasgow District League.


    In the reports Lawwell, in the finest tradition of defensive politicians with maybe something to hide, said that " He has never seen the ‘five-way agreement,  and Celtic have never had any involvement".


    I've never seen the 5 way agreement either.

    Not the actual agreement.


    Celtic were never going to be in the room when the final draft (after many) was signed by Rangers, Sevco, the SFA and the other two league organisations, that is if it was ever actually signed.


    So saying Celtic had no involvement with "The 5 Way Agreement" could indeed be technically correct if we allow for the imprecision of our English language.


    But were Celtic involved in the discussions about the stark implications of the financial troubles at Rangers and the various commercial options as they cascaded out of control and ended up with the immediate and eleventh hour need for a new company and club?


    I don't think there is any doubt and if I was a shareholder I'd have thought that not to be involved in such momentous events at the time was a dereliction of fiduciary duty.


    And there is the conundrum that Mr Lawwell, Mr Desmond and the club faced and it was made worse or maybe simpler by the pressure of time.



    We're in the run in to an election and are drowning in politicians blind-sighting us all as they seek to control their particular agendas.


    That is what we saw happening at the Celtic AGM yesterday.






    Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond
    Thanks Tris for a timely, factual, well written and informative post.

    When you look at the garbage that got placed on to the front page of Murdoch’s London Times (Shortbread Edition) last week and compare it with the content of your posting you really have to scratch your head in bewilderment. 

    The 4th estate and the BBC all read this site so their really is no excuse for the long time dereliction of their duties around how the SFA and SPFL reacted to in the run up, during and the aftermath of the liquidation of Rangers FC.

    Good luck to the Resolutioners today from all of us.

    I don't think today will see an end to the need for Resolution 12 or even provide a clear roadmap.

    Some of the people involved in the early stuff like have moved on but the complicit chairmen from the inner sanctum 2011-2012 are still in post including Mr Lawwell and Mr Petrie who is now el Presidente.

    They know where all the bodies were /are buried but just want to move on.

    I spoke* to them both this morning as they breakfasted at Hotel du Vin. They were in good form, keen to speak to our forum ahead of the AGM and their message to us was business like 

    "Its business as normal in Scottish Football, nothing to see here and never was, move on….."



    Celtic’s Questions to Answer
    John Clarke 1826


    Thanks John 

    One of your best yet.

    Big Pink can we upgrade it to a new headline posting?

    Celtic’s Questions to Answer
    John Clark 11th November 2019 at 19:26


    paraniodbyexperience 11th November 2019 at 15:53

    '..why the Celtic board would be involved in this. '


    Why else but to help sustain the lie that there is still a marketable 'old firm' comprising two old clubs who made their money by cashing in on politico/religious sectarianism in spite of the fact that it is recognised in the 'recordal'  SevcoScotland/TRFC is NOT the Rangers of 1872 

    Greed has caused CFC plc to sell its soul without a blush , pretty much as the SFA/SPFL sold the soul of Scottish Football integrity to a miserable wretch.

    Brother Walfrid will be turning in his grave



    Half past eight on a dreich Tuesday morning and on reading through the site I see that John Clark has a list of thumbs downs that Steerpike would have been proud of.

    I can't disagree with anything that he has said.


    To Peter Lawwell and his board Celtic is a business first with an intrinsic heart and soul.


    To John and many other fans Celtic is an intrinsic heart and soul that lives within a business.


    We all know deep down that there is no way that Celtic would not have been involved in the Petrie managed SFA/SPL contingency plan for keeping Rangers and their revenues alive if their much heralded CVA failed, which it did.

    Lawwell was too important and too well connected and respected and his lack of support would have been a deal breaker.

    We also all know that deep down that the current Celtic business model benefits substantially from having Rangers alive and kicking in both their Glasgow home town but also polarising other  supporters outwith Glasgow to maintain the scale that has allowed both of the Glasgow giants to be bigger, richer and to dominate all other towns and clubs.

    Celtic and all the other clubs were complicit in everything that happened and while the likes of Inverness Caley and Ross County were just told what was going to happen and how to vote, for the best, Celtic and other key players were founding fathers of the plan despite the fact that they had lost out on a place in the Champions League qualifiers and the revenues that would have brought.

    Maybe they gambled on a longer term and a possible downside horizon with no big Glasgow rival/partner.

    From a business point of view, in retrospect, I can understand why what happened happened and that is also why Celtic have fought and are still fighting tooth and nail to stop Resolution 12 (which amusingly is also Resolution 12 again on the agenda for this year's agm)

    The Resolutioners have been politely blind sighted, delayed and constantly mis directed by the board of an organisation who made commercial decisions that at the time back in 2011 /2012 almost certainly road a coach and horses through their 2011/ 2012 fiduciary responsibilities to the business that is Celtic and to shareholders like John Clark and Auldheid.


    I wish the Resolutioners well and would advise Peter and Dermot that they are lucky to have fans like John, Auldheid and many many others.






    In Whose Interests
    Ex Ludo 11th October 2019 at 1



    From memory the teachers were on strike at various points in 1974/75 




    Those were my memory corrupting Tartan Special and Lutomer Riesling days.