Comment on JPP: Perverting Justice? by Darkbeforedawn.
As a Rangers fan I can assure you that I and the vast majority of fellow fans, particularly on forums, blame Murray above all others for our problems. Growing up I used to think he was a hero – throwing all his money into the team to give us success and great players. Little did I know he was actually spending other people's money on a vanity project and would literally cut and run the minute he got the opportunity. The mess Murray has made to Rangers and Scottish Football as a whole will never be forgotten or forgiven. There have been a number of crooks and charlatans in the game recent years who have hurt my club, but none as bad as Murray. Everything negative in the last 10 years has stemmed from his ego.
With regards to Charles Green, he is another I will never forgive or forget. At the time he took over, Paul Murray (and I can't remember the other guysname), also put an offer in for the club. Had they been successful over Green I don't believe we would have had the nonsense and moonbeams of Green (we are looking at 6 players currently at Euro 2012, we are aiming for Champions League in 4 years etc). He played to the absolute lowest common denominator within the support and made it very much a siege mentality of which is still going on to this day. A vile man who spotted an opportunity to make a few bucks out of the support who at that point had been going through the mill for months. I believe he was the person responsible for starting the victim mentality and the defiance from the fans of which we continue to embarrass ourselves time and time again. Why do Rangers fans hate the SFA? Because Green brainwashed a lot of us. Why do Rangers fans blame the other clubs? Because Charles Green brainwashed a lot of us! He stirred up hate to line his own pockets.
The other group that were in for the club (Paul Murray and his partner) I believe would have lived within their means and done what I and other fans wanted – build a foundation out of youth prospects, coming through the leagues with a bit of humility accepting what we had done, apologising for the mess and making some friends along the 'journey'. By the time we were back in the top league we could have built up a nice bit of money in the bank and without the huge chip on our shoulder and 'everyone is out to get us' mindset I'm sure there would not be the same hatred towards us now, and certainly not the financial basket case we are! So yes, that's why I hate Green and hold him second only to Murray for the problems of recent years.
Ashley was a direct result of Green and I have always despised that man long before he became involved in Rangers for the way he treats his workers amongst other things. But he would never have been involved were it not for the doings of Green and Murray so I can't really hold him responsible for doing what he does.
Which brings me to King. After decades of shysters, charlatans and crooks running the club, you might think the fans would have seen through the soundbites by now and maybe start looking for a Fergus McCann type – an honest businessman telling it like it us, and making us take our medicine no matter how hard it may be, until we can get ourselves on a steady footing and hopefully awaken a sleeping giant in the mid to long term? Nope, we decide to go for another Murray and Green type – the 'Going for 55', 'Everyone is out to get us', '£20m warchest' and our fans fall for it hook line and sinker. It may be that after the turmoil of the last decade that the fans just want to believe an owner is finally out to look after our club instead of their own pockets, but the phase 'fool me once….' starts getting tedious when your fooled over and over and over again!
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As far as Brian Kennedy is concerned I agree he would not be what the average bear would have wanted, but dare I say he is what we needed? Someone who is not emotionally invested and who would make us live within our means. I would not have expected the same soundbites out of him as the chancers who followed. We would have been made to live within our means, and the fans told we should just be glad we still have a football team to support. How different things could have looked today…
JPP: Perverting Justice?
That said, I don’t think we can look to blame the SFA for what has happened to Rangers. Sadly I have to admit the only person to blame for what happened to Rangers is Rangers.
upthehoops14th October 2018 at 21:55
Darkbeforedawn 14th October 2018 at 21:35
Do you think the SFA were of the same view as many fans, many in the media, that Rangers were simply too big to fail, that someone would step in and it just wouldn't be allowed to happen?
I think there was definitely an element of that but with the SFA with what went before and came after I think it’s more a fact they burry their heads in the sand and put of dealing with anything until they absolutely have to. They are a shambles of an organisation from top down. Even with the continuation had they been upfront and said they were using the Italian model where at least four of their clubs had went bankrupt and started again with history attached, there might not be this same outrage now. But they didn’t – they just hoped by saying nothing everyone would just forget about it and move on.
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Coming late to the discussion on the best format for Scottish football, I agree that a restructuring of the leagues is the way we should be going. If ever we can get away from the Old Firm cash cow of 4 televised games a season, I would like to see us move to a 20 team Scottish Premiership, and a 20 team Championship. The bottom 2 teams from the PL would be relegated and the top 2 in the championship would be promoted. Third bottom would go into play offs with 3rd,4th and 5th in the championship. Beneath the two professional leagues would be the regional leagues where play offs would take place every year between the two lowest professional clubs, and the winners of each of the regional leagues.
I would love to see the rule introduced that a starting 11 must contain at least 5 home grown and club developed players but I worry that will never be possible when the lower leagues in England can poach our best players to rot in the reserves. Until the bubble bursts in the EPL I can't see our national game improving enough sadly.
How can we nurture the required quality, when the only systems available are as above?…Shooting the puppet is for nought, without first shooting the puppeteer.
It is beyond doubt a failed system and not fit for purpose.
100% agree with you CO. I don't think you will find fans of a single team in Scotland who would disagree that the referee system in Scotland is broken and not fit for purpose.
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CO, I am just not convinced we have the quality of referees required for the game. It may be the training, or the nepotism that means referee's are in positions because of who their family are. But regardless, I know the state of refereeing the world over is poor, but the ineptitude in Scotland is beyond anything I've seen anywhere else. I know people will argue that refereeing 'evens itself out' over a season, and whilst I would agree to an extent (there have probably on reflection been an equal number of decisions gone against my team as has gone for them this season) but that doesn't take away from how many games have been adversely impacted by these bad decisions.
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Another week of dreadful refereeing performances I see! An incredible four penalties in one game, and the most obvious stone wall penalty is the only one Dallas doesn't give . First one was a penalty, second was a dive, third was a foul outside the box, fourth was a dive outside the box! How a referee can get so many big decisions wrong is embarassing. This was off the back of the Cowdenbeath game where Rangers should have been awarded two penalties yet the referree gives a dodgy penalty to Cowdenbeath! And how Celtic never got a penalty for the foul on Eduardo is also beyond me. So in those three games the men in black managed to one of 9 big decisions correct! I would say 4 of those wrong decisions wen't Rangers way, 4 went against us so I don't agree with the conspiracy theories, jut a sheer ineptitude yet again of our refs in Scotland, and the lack of accountability! It's time for foreign referees.
At the very least, the SFA should,
(a), Forward an open public apology to Aberdeen FC, for over-stepping their authority, offering an "independent", investigation into how they got it so wrong. Or…
(b) Explain to Celtic FC how and when, the new "Aberdeen rule", came into place (for a trial period only). but had reverted back to the old rule 20 minutes before the Glasgow Derby.
For me its (b) everyday of the week. I was absolutely astonished that he was not retrospectively sent off. I personally think even he would have looked back on this and realised he made a mistake, not once but three times! But in order to save face he just dismissed it as ‘not warrant of a booking’. Which will lead to open season as every player will now think they can get away with murder. Also only in Scotland would a rule exist that as long as the referee ‘saw’ the incident, a separate panel of judges can’t overrule the decision?? A contentious decision like that should be put to a panel of 3 neutral judges whether the referee sees it or not.