Hangerhead says: July 10, 2014 at 11:11 am Now that the bulk …

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hangerhead says:
July 10, 2014 at 11:11 am
Now that the bulk of the UTT stuff is being referred back to the FTT, does that now mean that Dr Heidi Poon’s summations can now be exercised also?
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It ain’t over ’til it’s over. HMRC are considering an appeal which could take a couple more years and lead to more detailed questioning of all involved under oath.

Given HMRC’s investment so far and the possible gains, I would be surprised if they don’t find some grounds for appeal. This is not about Rangers, it’s about EBTs in the whole UK football industry.

I think it would be foolish to exercise (sic) Dr Heidi Poon just yet.

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Pedants’ Corner

As one fond of a sweeping generalization and grammar what would make Messrs Partridge and Fowler wince, I must turn gamekeeper on one point. The UTT decision has found no-one and no organisation innocent of anything. Nor has it exonerated the same of anything.

In a court of law, a judge or jury may return a verdict of “not guilty” or “not proven” when asked if the prosecution case is proven “beyond reasonable doubt”. There is no judgement of “innocent” and no judgement of “exonerated” available to the judge or jury.

Even ignoring the fact that the legal process may continue if HMRC appeal, the UTT has no power to exonerate or find innocent. Anyone suggesting so should be treated with compassion and kept away from sharp objects.


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Hear You In Court

After the UTT decision, lots of people are calling for lots of other people to be taken to court for all manner of offences that have somehow been made crystal clear by the consideration of arcane tax law.

Notably, however, no word from the SFA, SPFL, RIFC or TRFC. If you listen carefully you may hear the subdued but insistent muttering of “shut the f**k up you morons – let sleeping dogs lie – ffs – let sleeping dogs lie”. But the hard of thinking are so often also hard of listening, so the baying continues.

While unsophisticated paying customers rail against enemies, haters and conspirators throughout the land, the stewards of the national game and the newest clumpany in town live in fear of that little black book and the consequences of telling porkie pies after reading from the card in Her Majesty’s courts of law. They understand that the on-trend conviction du jour of the great and the good is perjury. What passes for fact, proof, cross examination and coherent logic in the MSM has lulled many into statements and convolutions that will supply copious grist to the mill of any decent QC – particularly those of an English persuasion unversed in the art of Rangersness.

Whether it’s Craig Whyte, David Murray, David King, Ally McCoist or Charles Green – the very last thing on earth they want to do is give a cogent account of events and their own actions in an open court of law under cross examination and the Damoclean sword of perjury – and jail time.

While many see the UTT decision as a vindicating victory – events are sneaking up behind them.

What a great summer of sport we’re having !


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Just Another Day Down The HMRC Office

HMRC will probably appeal the UTT decision – because that is their job. This example shows that it’s run of the mill stuff and that FTT and UTT decision are there to be challenged and can be overturned without the sky falling in.

http://www.ashurst.com/publication-item.aspx?id_Content=8831

My family (all mcfc fans) and a good mate’s family (all Sunderland fans) watched the League Cup final together. As my mate’s wife said to him at the end – well it’s not all bad, Sunderland did win the first half.


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Football Fan says:
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June 27, 2015 at 12:24 pm

There is also no evidence of Rangers not having a plan,we just don’t know what it is,again we just cannot presume there is no plan.

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I can !!!


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Ironically FFs attempt to create FUD around PMG’s output and rebuild King’s reputation as Messiah and doer of financial miracles has solicited a number of well reasoned responses on several topics from several contributors. Collectively they lay out the many mine fields between here and fully funded bear nirvana.

So FFs achievement is to clarify for any undecided ST buyer that it’s a choice between a blind faith gamble of £411 on the word of a tardy, absentee, convicted criminal or paying at the gate. As FF has advised several times “we need to wait and see”. I suggest potential ST buyers take his advice and keep their options open. There could be an Xmas treat in it for the kids.


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Football Fan says:
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June 27, 2015 at 11:13 am

So you are retracting “I believe all unsold shares can be bought by DK.” and acknowledging it is an extraordinaty claim or day dream
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No sir,all unsold shares can be bought by DK,it is a fact not an extraordinary claim.

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So you know King’s resources are adequate to do so and/or he is minded to do so. Or are you saying “I believe all unsold shares can be bought by DK or any other current shareholder with the resources and will – because that’s how a rights issue works but no one has yet stated any intention to do so.”. In which case you are saying nothing of interest.


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