Is it time for the Sin Bin?

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A guest blog by former Celtic & Scotland defender, Jim Craig

 

What time is this to come back?”

Dolores McCann (her Mother had been a great fan of foreign films) stood in that classic pose of the wounded woman – up to her full height and chin forward – as she glared at her husband who had just come in the front door. Before he could say a word, she gave him another volley;

 “you left the house at half-past-two for a three o’clock kick-off, it only takes you 20 minutes to get to the ground, a match lasts only one-and-a-half hours plus ten minutes for the break and you’ve just walked back in the door at half-past-seven! So where the hell were you?”.

Wayne McCann (his father liked Westerns) tried to calm her down.

“Dolores, you don’t know what it’s like at football matches nowadays ; it has changed out of all recognition; a match goes on for much longer”.

“In what way?” Dolores asked.

“Well, for a start, the players and even the managers can complain about any decision that is given against them. If that happens, the referee then goes and has a word with firstly, the two assistant referees, then the fourth official and gets their comments before he reflects on the situation. If he is still in any doubt that he made the wrong decision then he can ask the guy upstairs sitting in front of a television screen what he thinks. And, of course, all through this, the managers and players of both teams can chip in with their comments. That all adds a fair bit of time to the match”.

“Aye…but turning up at half-past-seven is still a bit over the top…is it no’?”

“Well, no’ really……you see, nowadays you are not allowed to have a drawn game, so if the match is level at the full-time whistle, there is extra time, which takes a minimum of half-an-hour”.

“The time is still no’ matching up!”

“Aye, mibbe so, if that was the end of the match. But if the match is still level at the end of extra-time, then it goes to a penalty shoot-out. I told you…you are not allowed a drawn game”.

“ A penalty shoot-out disnae take long”.

“That might have been the case at one time but because so many keepers were being accused of moving before the ball was kicked, nowadays they are strapped in to a harness which anchors them in the middle of the goal. They can only move when the foot of the guy who is taking the penalty actually touches the ball. So, after each kick, the keeper has to be put back into the harness and it all starts again. And, of course, you get the complaints from the managers and players that the harness wasnae working properly or that the officials who put the harness on didnae put it on right. That all adds up to the time factor”.

“Did you go to the pub?”

“As God is my judge, Dolores, after the match finished, I came straight here”.

“Who won anyway?”

“That’s a difficult question… there was so much noise and kerfuffle both on the pitch and in the stands, nobody was quite sure what the final score was. And the guy who usually does the announcing had gone home. Somebody said that he had a date. Anyway, if you let me turn on the radio, I’ll hear the score there. And Dolores?”

“Yes”

Wayne walked over to the drinks cabinet and took out a couple of glasses. “I don’t suppose you would fancy a wee drink”


We will leave the smooth-talking Wayne to his attempts to mollify Dolores and reflect on the situation. What you have just read is probably the ultimate scenario for those who wish to tamper with the current rules of football. Do I think that the game needs radical changes like that? No but I do think that some change is necessary and in one specific circumstance.

Now, I was a professional footballer for 9 years and in all that time, I can put my hand on my heart and state with complete conviction that I never pulled any other player’s jersey. Did I try to half him in two with a tackle, yes! But no jersey-pulling. And, of course, I was penalised for the challenge.

Today, though, I feel that there is a lot of body-checking and jersey-pulling going on in every match. Very often the referee lets it go and then you get the ridiculous scenario at a corner kick when all those waiting for the ball to come in are pulling and pushing, with the referee watching it and ignoring it. It is a foul, ref!

When the referee decides that an offence has been committed, then the player will be spoken to first. If he does it again, he will be given a yellow-card. The problem is, though, that the offence might possibly have affected the play in the match, whereas the yellow card does not affect the player’s participation.

If the player is daft enough to do it again, then of course he gets another yellow and will be off. Most, however, are sensible and keep the head, so they go unpunished as far as the current match is concerned. What we have to find is a punishment that affects the match in which the transgression occurred. Which means that we have to consider the sin bin.

This works very well in rugby and gives the referee a means to punish an offence a little more harshly – yet more efficiently – than a yellow card but without having to go for the ultimate, drastic – and for many unpalatable  – option of the red card. I hope it comes in soon.

2363 COMMENTS


  1. DARKBEFOREDAWNMARCH 10, 2018 at 11:40
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    I have seen no evidence to suggest that this is a sick hoax.
    My sources close to your club tell me that the UB is in close contact with several senior chaps in the Blue Room.
    After all, the UB have their own singing section in the Broomloan Road stand.
    I’m surprised that there hasn’t been any statement issued by the club (unless I have missed it) given the official recognition enjoyed by the UB at club level.

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  2. UPTHEHOOPSMARCH 10, 2018 at 16:11
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    Totally agree.
    Since March 2015 DK and his colleagues have made sure that they have been in control of the narrative in the SMSM.
    To that end, they have spent a considerable amount on an outside PR contractor.

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  3. Homunculus March 10, 2018 at 18:30
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    I’m not seeking to defend Rangers fans’ behaviours, song books or anything else.

    I made comment about Phil’s use of language, to which he responded courteously.  Phil says “the precise use of language is important to me”.

    Me too.

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  4. DBD “Well if that’s the case I am genuinely disgusted and can only apologise on behalf of the decent Rangers fans for the appalling behaviour of one of our own fan groups. Like the NRA in the USA they are trapped in the 18th century! ”
    You cannot apologise for someone else, you can only express your abhorrence and distance yourself from their sentiments.  I think you have done this admirably and I don’t believe anyone on here thinks otherwise. Please keep posting your honest opinions and where possible join in any banter. You are not responsible for someone else’s thoughts or idiocy.Following Jimbo’s example here’s one for you

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  5. EASYJAMBOMARCH 10, 2018 at 18:50
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    As you haven’t read “Minority Reporter” then perhaps sharing the book’s strapline might assist you.
    It is:
    “Modern Scotland’s bad attitude towards her own Irish”.
    I think we can file this UB episode under that heading.
    FYI:
    My publisher is Frontline Noir.
    They’re based in Edinburgh and the main man there is an Aberdeen fan.

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  6. I think like a lot of people I’ve been wondering when the Compliance Officer’s report is coming out. Thinking about it though I’m now asking how can it come out? If it does actually get investigated I see only 4 outcomes.
    One: everything was above board, no case to answer. How they could come up with that would really be something. Although , bearing in mind Rangers players are eligible according to the SFA, even when they are demonstrably not according to the rules, don’t put it past them.
    Two: It was the SFA who mucked up and Rangers are innocent.Impossible, even Bryson couldn’t twist that balloon into a shape discombombulating enough to leave us all believing the final result .
    Three: Rangers are guilty and the SFA are innocent. Not possible. 3 of the directors involved are currently back in at Rangers and this scenario could affect the current club.Dave King might even welcome a sine die ban as it would get him off the hook for picking up the near £200,000 a week bill that the owners of Rangers will have to pay for the next 140 years. Rangers could in fact be finished off if the directors Murray , King and Johnston are found guilty of administrative sleights of hand.
    Four: The SFA and Rangers colluded. This verdict would for all time cement in the minds of Scottish football fans that Rangers and the SFA are 2 cheeks of the same arse. Cement it. Plus Rangers might be penniless but the SFA have £16 million inthe bank for Celtic shareholders to go after through the courts. I suspect they would. Four is actually the most likely scenario in an honest investigation and also the one packed with the most TNT.
    So why did Regan announce this thing then? I think he panicked after the Supreme Courts verdict. That was the day Rangers players officially became improperly registered . He must have thought this little banger of a CO investigation would distract us all from the “ineligibilty” fireworks display in the sky. I think this banger keeps going off , not only that, it gets louder every day. Anyway.
    I’m still weeping my way through the LNS inquiry and here’s what I think.The LNS commission to my mind is impossible to understand if you approach it from the angle of believing that it’s a judge led inquiry into possible rule breaches in the sport of football. It makes far more sense when you realise it’s actually a business plan.A plan to get Scottish football, as the SPL saw it, back on track.
    Have a look at how they smooth over the problem of dealing with the “wee tax case” problem being omitted from the inquiry. The first elephant in the room for any mind of an enquiring nature.Here’s how they do it, I’m sure you remember, some people on hear probably know this off by heart.
    We note that the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust waspreceded by the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust, but we are not awarethat they were different trusts. We shall treat them as a continuoustrust, which we shall refer to throughout as the MGMRT.”
    Can you believe that? Staggering in its brassneckedness. Despite the fact that they acknowledge the trusts came into being at different times and had different names they treat them as the same. It’s worth pointing out that Lord Nimmo Smith has 2 children, we can only hope that given one child was a boy and one a girl he didn’t call both of them Linda and insist they sign up for the Brownies.

    Here’s another thing that betrays what this garbage insult to the Scottish mind was really up to with its so called inquiry.
    7] On 14 June 2012 a newly incorporated company, Sevco Scotland Limited, purchasedsubstantially all the business and assets of Oldco, including Rangers FC, by entering into an asset sale and purchase agreement with the joint administrators. The name of Sevco Scotland Limited was subsequently changed to The Rangers Football Club Limited. We shall refer to this company as Newco.
    Look at the phrase between the commas “including Rangers FC” . Absolutely staggering. We are expected to believe that 3 judges left to their own devices wrote the phrase” purchased substantially all the business and assets of Oldco, including Rangers FC“. Why not list Ibrox Park instead if you are strangely going to list only one asset ? Given all the subsequent speculation surrounding ownership of the stadium a statement in between 2 commas that Sevco owned Ibrox would have been useful. There is simply no way that phrasing was arrived at by 3 “independent” judges.

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  7. I find the whole Union Bears phenomenon dispiriting. Times have changed and perhaps this is what might be what could be called a dead cat bounce to put it cruelly.
    Phil mentioned the notorious Church of Scotland inferior race send the Irish home report of 1923 (he got the date wrong. this was the work of a Minister in a small town. By the year 2000 the local Catholic Parish ( with a very Irish background) to decant from its Church Building (a modernist masterpiece which I love) during restoration. That Minister’s COS Parish put us up during that time in a great ecumenical gesture. 
    I hope that kind of thing is more common in today’s Scotland than the UB Fascist stuff, but I am no sociologist.

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  8. JOHN CLARKMARCH 8, 2018 at 23:55
    Newcastle West End & Newcastle East End merged to form Newcastle United in 1892 (hence the founding date of NUFC being 1892), although from my hazy memory of such things (not first hand !) West End were virtually bankrupt and the merger was more like a takeover (since they abandoned West End’s ground & staff)

    That said, I think the corporate structure took another few years to be coincident (1895/6ish)

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  9. BFBPUZZLEDMARCH 10, 2018 at 19:54
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    I did not “get the date wrong”.
    You are referring to the Church & Nation Committee report of  29th May 1923 chaired by John White.
    Incidentally, he was made Moderator of the General Assembly two years later.
    That report is an appendix in Minority Reporter.
    In 1953 (30 years later) in ANOTHER report to the General Assembly, the Irish in Scotland were referred to as “…an alien race…”
    Therefore, I was factually correct in my piece.

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  10. EASYJAMBO
    MARCH 10, 2018 at 18:50
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    And I was replying to one specific thing.

    “I would doubt that many would align themselves with the KKK …”

    They may not “align themselves” with the kkk, they may even be horrified by the suggestion.

    However their actions are similar, they have simply chosen a different target. 

    The person they lionize in their song, about other people’s blood, certainly aligned himself with the kkk, and with fascism.

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  11. HOMUNCULUSMARCH 10, 2018 at 20:15
    EASYJAMBOMARCH 10, 2018 at 18:50================================
    And I was replying to one specific thing.
    “I would doubt that many would align themselves with the KKK …”
    They may not “align themselves” with the kkk, they may even be horrified by the suggestion.
    However their actions are similar, they have simply chosen a different target. 
    The person they lionize in their song, about other people’s blood, certainly aligned himself with the kkk, and with fascism.
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    Aligned in that he was a card carryig member of the KKK and the British Union of Fascists.
    His politics are not in dispute.
    Moreover, his street gang was informed by that worldview.
    It was the Catholic Irish of Glasgow who were the people of colour for TBB.

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  12. Moderators, BP, Tris.   Forget my post of 19.29pm which you put into moderation.  If you are so gutless to post that harmless comment, I want nothing more to do with this site.  I was one of the most ecumenical and hands out to all posters on here regardless of who they support.  

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  13. James Dornan MSP now tweeting that he’s “had it with Twitter”. I presume that means he’s closing his account. Who knew that Twitter wasn’t a place for serious, informed and considered debate?

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  14. Why on earth would sevco 2012 bring the UB to book 

    The UB and their like minded kin in the wider support are what the board rely on 

    STs are sold on the back of what they stand for ,defiance bigotry and the overwhelming need to show those taigs who’s boss in bonny old scotland .

    IMO there are many ,many sevco 2012 football supporters but it’s hard to make a case for them when there are so many THOUSANDS that sing TBB and such like .

    Listen tomorrow if they score ,almost every time after a goal TBB is the song they chose to celebrate .

    DBD I commend you for your take on the UB flyer and hope more like you will voice your displeasure at the one’s who continue to tarnish your clubs name (board included)

    IMO the board at ibrokes are now in no position  to take the correct measures against the UB ,they are slaves to the beast they have created .

    They nurtured the
    victim mentality 
    the haters belief
    kicked us when we were down myth 
    and the new club are shackled to the the very thing that will hold it back from ever becoming something other than a circus freak .

    Yes they bring in vital ST revenue but how much sponsorship revenue and real bonafide outside income do they scare off 

    When this board are removed the next one needs to think long and hard as to whether the sectarian £ is really worth all the grief  

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  15. Jimbo, I really hope you don’t follow through with your threats to leave the site. Your one of the most balanced and genuine posters on here. 18

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  16. MISTERLIGHTBULBJOKEMARCH 10, 2018 at 19:42
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    I think like a lot of people I’ve been wondering when the Compliance Officer’s report is coming out. Thinking about it though I’m now asking how can it come out?
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    It will have to come out in some form as the season ticket buying public as in back in 2012 will put pressure on their club chairmen, who will then have to be asking when /why it is not out.And if they are not asking these questions they will have to answer to their season ticket buying public as to why they are not asking these questions

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  17. JIMBOMARCH 10, 2018 at 21:23
    Moderators, BP, Tris. Forget my post of 19.29pm which you put into moderation. If you are so gutless to post that harmless comment, I want nothing more to do with this site.
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    Ah FFS get over yourself will you. How is the SFM supposed to be taken seriously by fans of all clubs when initially logging in they are confronted with your maudlin tripe on a regular basis? The moderators and the subscribers to this site in general have shown admirable patience and tolerance but you seem unable to recognise this and have continually ignored requests to post your off topic musings to the ernie thread.Ecunimism is for those of a religious persuasion.Should I wish to discuss philosphy or read about my personal friends/relations holidays or song preferences or recipes etc I imagine I would use Fudbook or something similar…..

    and breathe.

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  18. Well GunnerB, if your views are representative  of this site then sadly I must say I am out also. It seems the purpose of this site is not a community where all are welcome and can divulge personal as well as sporting views, but yet another bitter Rangers/Sevco bashing site that I genuinely thought it wasn’t 18

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  19. In my mind DBD this site has always been about change. Pushing for a change in the way Scottish football has operated for these past 30 odd years. Whatever iteration of Rangers that played out of Ibrox in that time has done so without any regard for football or corporate regulations. 
    HMRC eventually caught up with them and they paid the price of their cavalier business practice. 
    However, the same cannot be said of those who govern football in Scotland. Nothing has changed in that respect save perhaps 1 resignation. 
    In order for anything to improve in Scottish football the perceived and actual favouritism of the SFA towards one club to the detriment of the game has to end. Sevco bashing as you put it is just the collateral damage of this struggle for the soul of the game. 
    Ironically enough the biggest catalyst of change ought to be you and the rest of the supporters.
    When are you going to wake up and smell the coffee?

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  20. As far as I am concerned, everybody who sings the Billy Boys at Ibrox (and there’s thousands of them, tens of thousands probably, though, due to the recent revelations of it’s ‘hero’, many won’t sing it as loudly as they once did)), or whatever ground has the misfortune to host them, is either a member of what Phil describes as the ‘klan’, or is tacitly accepting their right to exist. In my opinion, the use of the word ‘klan’ is, therefore, a very moderate way for someone subjected to the sentiments of that song, and others of a similar ‘sentiment’, to describe these people, and sums them up perfectly. 

    If the mainstream media had used similar language for the past hundred years to highlight this less than well known fact (who and what it was they were singing about) then, just maybe, we’d be further down the road to ridding our country of this blight of sectarianism.

    I’d lay odds that most/all of those ‘decent’ bears that so many of us know will be condemning Phil’s use of the word ‘klan’ at least as much as they do those who sing that vile song.

    Of course, Phil could just have called them ‘the nasty peepil’, I’m sure that would have got the message across just as well.

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  21. PHILMACGIOLLABHAINMARCH 10, 2018 at 18:49

    Totally agree.Since March 2015 DK and his colleagues have made sure that they have been in control of the narrative in the SMSM.To that end, they have spent a considerable amount on an outside PR contractor

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    That is why I can never agree that Rangers PR is ‘bad’. It is bad in the sense that anyone daring to look under the bonnet even a little can see so much in it that could be easily challenged and disproved. However, with the media we have in Scotland and a support who clearly like to be told soothing words of comfort it is just what they need, and makes the Ibrox board’s life a whole lot easier. It is just what it was like under Craig Whyte, then when Administration finally arrived it was like a bombshell to a support who had lived in denial under a media comfort blanket.  If another insolvency event happens at Ibrox (and I don’t know if it will) it will have a similar dagger through the heart effect due to fans with their fingers stuck in their ears and a media who simply don’t want to question anything either through bias, fear or commercial pressure.  Should Celtic prevail at Ibrox today, look out for a ramping up of feelgood stories in the coming weeks. Should Rangers prevail, they could probably afford to put Level 5 on standby for a few months, such will be the outpouring of joy in the media, and it won’t cost Rangers a penny. 

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  22. DARKBEFOREDAWN
    MARCH 11, 2018 at 00:32

    Well GunnerB, if your views are representative  of this site then sadly I must say I am out also. It seems the purpose of this site is not a community where all are welcome and can divulge personal as well as sporting views, but yet another bitter Rangers/Sevco bashing site that I genuinely thought it wasn’t.
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    Absolutely nothing GUNNERB posted justifies the notion that this is “yet another bitter Rangers/Sevco bashing site”.

    You may not like what he said, but it certainly didn’t support that.

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  23. DARKBEFOREDAWNMARCH 11, 2018 at 00:32

    I think you have it all wrong.

    This site is about Scottish Football and where it is going wrong. Generally a lot of that can be placed at the door of Rangers and how the authorities (including others clubs boardrooms) handled the issues that unfolded in 2012.

    Occasionally folks will post a few personal things and have a wee laugh but really that’s what Facebook and the likes are for if you are looking for a community to discuss wider issues away from football.

    As for Rangers bashing then I can see why supporters of Ibrox clubs may feel that way.

    However a challenge I put out to folks like yourselves is to tell us the positives  Rangers/T’Rangers have brought to the Scottish game and where they outweigh the long term sectarianism, the financial cheating of the SDM years, the poor relations with other clubs, the rioting and continual Uefa fines, the lack of humility with regard to their own implosion, the backing of a line of dodgy characters including a  convicted tax dodger, the lack of any sign of financial sustainability and decent corporate governance,  etc etc 

    The Cup Winner Cup win is the highlight of a pretty awful history and even that is well tainted by the actions of fans.

    What is it exactly that Rangers / T’Rangers stand for?

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  24. Is it me? or is the media going all out in the narrative of a Hope celtic get beaten.
    All the articles look as if they are in the hope of an ibrox team victory.
    A  bombshell will arrive at the ibrox doors in the form of fans asking what now? If their team is defeated once again by celtic and the cry of We need to spend more money will ring around the ibrox board room.
    Oh Dear…

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  25. ALLYJAMBOMARCH 11, 2018 at 09:37
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    The Ibrox klan is a self-selecting subculture.
    They can watch a football match without indulging in TBB of the Famine Song.
    They them term “klan” would not be apposite.
    Howeber the woder issue is that they feel sufficently socially authorised to do so with impunity is the real story for me as a journalist.
    The local media have failed on this issue every time it has been presented to them by yet another outpouring from the Ibrox customer base.
    When the Fourth Estate fails in their duty of oversight then bad stuff usually happens and continues to happen.

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  26. Any time one group sees itself as naturally superior and looks down on another bad things happen.

    Concepts like being in your rightful place, or returning things to their natural order have never gone well.

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  27. I found an idle moment this morning to refocus on the Res 12 issue and on the non-progress of the Compliance Officer’s examination of the circumstances surrounding the granting of a UEFA competitions licence to a club in desperate financial straits.

    I have sent this email to the Minister for Public Health and Sport.

    “scottish.minister@gov.scot                   11th March 2018

    Minister for Public Health and Sport,
    Scottish Government
    St Andrew’s House
    Regent Road
    Edinburgh EH1 3DG

    Dear Minister,
    1.As Minister for Public Health and Sport you will doubtless have some involvement in the authorisation of payments of grants to Sports bodies generally, and a corresponding duty to exercise some broad degree of oversight of the functioning of such bodies. This will all the more be the case where any question arises as to the probity of any particular Sports governance body which has received relatively substantial sums of public money.

    2.Receipt of significant levels of public money clearly brings the affairs of any company, private or public, into the public forum to the extent of giving taxpayers (of whom I am one) a right to raise questions about how that company is managing its affairs in terms of probity and integrity in its governance: and to expect to have such questions answered.

    3.The Scottish Football Association (‘SFA’),a private Limited Company, has over the financial years from 2011/12 to 2016/17received a total of £6,418,533.94 of public funds. 

    4.The SFA,under the rules of the Union of European Football Associations( UEFA) is charged by UEFA with the responsibility of licensing football clubs. To qualify for the granting of a ‘UEFA Competitions’ licence, a club has to provide satisfactory evidence that it meets a number of conditions.
    In 2011, the SFA granted a ‘UEFA Competitions’ licence to the then ‘Rangers Football Club plc.’

    5.Questions, serious questions,subsequently arose as to the circumstances surrounding the granting of that licence.These questions were never satisfactorily resolved, the SFA refusing steadfastly to open itself up to independent examination of the matter.

    6.In September 2017, the then Chief Executive Officer(CEO) of the SFA, replied in the negative to a request from the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) that the SFA should join with them in setting up an investigation into the whole handling of the ‘crisis’ that resulted when the inability of the then Rangers Football Club to meet its debts resulted in the Liquidation of that club.
    However, in relation to the questions surrounding the granting of a ‘UEFA Competitions’ licence to Rangers Football Club in 2011 the CEO informed the SPFL that “this matter has been referred to the compliance officer for further investigation following receipt of information of a written opinion from senior Counsel”

    7.It is now the second week of March 2018, six months on from the date of that statement, and there has been no confirmation that the compliance officer has even begun his investigation, and no hint of any progress report, let alone any final report.

    8.Given that the SFA has refused to open to external investigation their handling of the entire ‘saga’ of the Liquidation of Rangers Football Club and the creation of a new club suspicions arise that they may now regret having agreed to have even the licence matter examined, fearful of what an examination may uncover in the way of lapses from the highest standards of governance integrity. The fact that six months have passed with apparently no indication that the compliance officer has even begun to investigate as promised suggests that there may indeed be influences hindering the compliance officer or at least encouraging undue protraction of his enquiries, perhaps in the hope that the mere passage of time will cause the issue to disappear.

    9. This state of affairs is unacceptable by any standard. I therefore ask you, as the responsible Minister, to ask the SFA to tell you, and through you, us, the taxpayers as well football supporters, at what stage the compliance officer is in the promised investigation, and ascertain the reason for the six-months passage of time without any kind of interim progress report having been submitted.

    Yours sincerely,     
    [me]”

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  28. Just in case it has went unnoticed TRFC have had to offer a new contract to their centre forward that was the subject of ‘ghost’ offers of over  £11 million. The outcome of a stupid PR tactic.

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  29. GunnerB
      That was probably the most horrible post I have ever read on here. talk about a character assassination.   Do you realise that in this day and age most people are trying to bring people suffering from depression into accommodation.  A new forum was started recently on here (not by me) for that very purpose.  A guy recently re-started posting on CQN after suffering from a bad bout of depression.  Delaneys Donkey. The site was overwhelmed with good wishes to him and support.

     What did I get on here?  ” a load of maudlin tripe”  Talking about friends and relatives, holidays etc.  In other words – who cares.  This site is above all that. 

    What hurt most was not your insensitive rambling “…and breathe”   But the amount of agreement you got.   Here was me stupidly thinking I was amongst mostly on line friends who were tolerant or thought nothing of my OT musings.  Did the song I posted on Mothers Day eve upset you?

    I hope you sleep easy at night, proud of your rant.  And your supporters.   Wake up folk, the parameters on here are not rigid and can develop whilst still getting the main message through.  As about 80% of my posts were about.

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  30. Phil in a blog today suggests that Douglas Park sought out the Lying King when he jetted in for today’s match and demanded the repayment of a loan he made to the South African tycoon.  This was for King to buy shares but he has not repaid the loan on time as promised.

    https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2018/03/11/sevco-director-asks-mr-king-to-pay-his-debts/
     
    Did I not read on here a couple of weeks ago it was thanks to Park’s influence that Hamilton Accies sanctioned the sale of their player Docherty to TRFC on such generous terms?  King gave his personal undertaking to Accies that the club would be paid the full amount of the transfer fee and that he (King) would provide any shortfall should there be, God forbid, an insolvency event down Ibrox way.
     
    That being the case, why then did Park sanction this deferred payment transfer deal when he was already chasing King for his broken promises on the shares loan?

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  31. BILLY BOYCEMARCH 11, 2018 at 17:59

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    Of more interest to me is the European licence situation this year. Last year SFA ‘sources’ told STV and the Daily Record Rangers would enter a monitoring period in terms of their finances. Since then their debt has increased even more, and the much vaunted debt for equity swap has not happened. In short, how can the SFA possibly award them a licence this year? 

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  32. JIMBO
    MARCH 11, 2018 at 17:39
    Here was me stupidly thinking I was amongst mostly on line friends who were tolerant or thought nothing of my OT musings.
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    I though the point was there was an OT forum for people’s OT musings.

    https://www.sfm.scot/forums/forum/ernie-bee-chat/

    It’s by way of a forum, rather than a blog with replies, so that people can start discussions on pretty much whatever they want and other who are interested can join in.

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  33. Hi Jimbo,
    Welcome back, I think most on here enjoy your wee OTs and the thumb downs are now part of a fun ritual.
    Depression is a horrible illness and suffers do not receive enough symphony so if it helps you then keep posting away. Anyone who doesn’t like what you post can skip past when they see your name. 

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  34. Yes, very entertaining game today.  TRFC played surprisingly  well, and on any other day would have been good for a draw.  

    Just makes fund raising to see out the season a wee bit more difficult, IMO.

    Looks like the Scottish Cup semi on the 15th is TRFC’s last chance to generate a ‘feel good factor’.

    And yes, Phil’s suggestion that a director wants his cash back from King could have unintended consequences?
    Shirley a legally robust document was signed by both parties?
    No sympathy though: everyone and their dug knew King was well dodgy a long time ago.  In fact a SA judge told us so.

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  35. I’m not without fault.  But I will go back over to Ernie’s.  Where I can talk about anything within reason.  Even today’s great victory.0404 

    DBD don’t leave on my behalf mate. I can look after myself.

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  36. Meant to add;
    – that miss might knock a few millions off Morelos’ ‘valuation’
    &
    – will the SMSM copy/paste merchants be instructed to bad mouth a certain Ibrox director?
    &
    – what squirrel will be let loose this week, to deflect from another ’10 men won the League’…
    🙂

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  37. JIMBOMARCH 11, 2018 at 17:39__________________________________
    The very definition of maudlin tripe.
    Jimbo, Your incoherent ramblings about depression and implying my lack of of sympathy is just insulting nonsense.PM me by the facility provided by SFM if you wish to take this further.

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  38. Jimbo, you are welcome to post on this site when you want, you have earned that right and your music forum is a welcome distraction from people who get too serious. GunnerB, get over yourself, what have you posted on here ? There is room for all, people do not act like that in pubs. Everybody deserves a voice and some days there is less football governance to discuss than others.

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  39. “Ah FFS get over yourself will you. How is the SFM supposed to be taken seriously by fans of all clubs when initially logging in they are confronted with your maudlin tripe on a regular basis? The moderators and the subscribers to this site in general have shown admirable patience and tolerance but you seem unable to recognise this and have continually ignored requests to post your off topic musings to the ernie thread.Ecunimism is for those of a religious persuasion.Should I wish to discuss philosphy or read about my personal friends/relations holidays or song preferences or recipes etc I imagine I would use Fudbook or something similar…..and breathe.

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  40. JIMBOMARCH 11, 2018 at 20:53
    And yet you suggest I PM you?  To take further insults?  I think I’ll pass.  Would rather speak to a health professional.
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    As you wish.

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  41. To jimbo. I for one have enjoyed all your posts. While always contributing to the footballing issues, when there’s not much happening, you are always there to fill in the gaps and lighten the mood. Personally I think your contribution is invaluable in making this site unique. Respect and tolerance should be paramount. If you leave; I leave. 🙂

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  42. DARKBEFOREDAWN
    MARCH 11, 2018 at 21:31
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    You said this

    Well GunnerB, if your views are representative  of this site then sadly I must say I am out also. It seems the purpose of this site is not a community where all are welcome and can divulge personal as well as sporting views, but yet another bitter Rangers/Sevco bashing site that I genuinely thought it wasn’t 

    =======================================

    That is insulting to the people who operate this blog, who even went to the bother of setting up a forum so that people could go there and post / discuss off topic subjects. 

    As far as I can see they go out of their way to ensure it isn’t “…yet another bitter Rangers/Sevco bashing site…”

    You were out of order. 

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  43. CLARABOMARCH 11, 2018 at 21:21
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    Oh no..not another hand to forehead remonstration.No need for any such public display of dissatisfaction. Take it up with the moderators privately…indeed use the PM facility to debate as this is becoming a tiresome distraction now.

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  44. Incoming. 
    Phil, you really need to put some of this stuff behind you. There was a well contested match played in Glasgow today. Billy Fullerton, KKK, Klan, 1923 Committees ad infinitum. Honestly? 
    I just traversed accross sites and read your most recent offerings. More of the same. 
    Explain to us (ok – me) ‘off licence putsch’. In fact, don’t bother. You’ve been prattling on about this for years. Same so about ‘stenographers’, ‘sevco high command’ and their very senior members’. 
    Back to your opening gambit on today’s game over on planet Phil. ‘A goal of a start’? No, the opener was well executed. Had celtic opened with that, there’s no doubt it would never have been described as such. The reality is, Boyata should never have started and given the financial gulf between the two, questions should be asked of the ‘buyers’ in the ‘defensive’ procurement department at Celtic Park. That’s not to say Boyata is a lost cause. He just wasn’t ready for the intensity of today’s match. 
    In terms of your comment that the club with the ‘larger football budget won the match’, it goes without saying that if finance is a measure of superiority, Celtic should be brushing this team aside with the greatest of ease. In reality, they won a very well contested match and come the final whistle, breaths of deep sighs of relief were evident all round the Broomloan. 
    As football budgets go, this shouldn’t have been the case. Not in today’s state of play. 
    Nor tomorrow’s. And neither should we be reading guff about the KKK.

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  45. Let’s everyone just calm down. We need to avoid mud slinging and taking things too personally. Could we all play the ball and not the man and get back to the job of holding the Football authorities to account.

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  46. Homunculus, I accept I was out of order to label all posters with the same brush by using that badly judged comparison. I know there are a huge number of very good posters on here such as yourself. I was riled up by the one particular comment but shouldn’t have lashed out at everyone as a result. 

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