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Any organisation’s plan for a top-down review of development would ordinarily be welcome news. Self evaluation, or even better independent evaluation is an ongoing process amongst professionals, individually and collectively alike. In the case of the SFA however a healthy scepticism is required. We are after all dealing with people who are the poster boys for self-interest and short-termism.

The SFA had previously commissioned a thorough review of the game (decades ago) by Rinus Michels, the inventor of “Total Football” and his report was largely ignored, partly because it implied criticism of the then current regime, and partly because it would cost money. A “Total Shambles”.

Henry McLeish also famously recommended (again after being commissioned to do so by the SFA) a more balanced approach to governance between the SFA and SPFL. This would have required a blazer or two having less say in the running of the game – and was therefore ignored.

Mark Wotte, the prominent Dutch coach hired as performance director at Hampden also suggested during his tenure that, in order to improve technique, more ball time should be provided for players in games.

He recommended seven a side competitions as the norm for u-15s (less players – more participation).

To accommodate this, club infrastructures would have required expensive upgrading, and coaches in clubs, not responsive to new ideas lobbied hard for the status quo.

The upshot is that we carried on with the same eleven-a-side games where many players hardly got a kick.
And in this classic Einsteinean definition of insanity, no overall improvements were to be found in the national team’s fortunes.

No wonder Wotte fled the scene in 2014 after three years.

Of course the details are debatable and subjective, but experience tells us;
Anything that
a) costs money or
b) upsets old boys’ networks
has a tendency to be hidden out of sight.

The recent “announcement” is merely a reaction to a couple of poor results, caused in part by inaction in the wake of previous reports’ recommendations.

An increasing number of observers of our game refer to an inferior mindset amongst players in Scotland, that we accept losing as the norm.

Hardly surprising that such a mindset is prevalent amongst professionals.
They must despair at the chronic self-interest, ineptitude and fecklessness of the “leaders” of our sport – an organisation that appointed Gordon Smith as CE (think about that for a minute) based on who his pals were, where McGregor and Petrie can become senior officers – “because it’s his turn!” – despite being unqualified squares in a round ball game, and where fairy-tales take precedence over reality.

As long as the blazers have a seat on the SFA bus, nothing will change.

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  1. King's admission that it cost him over £1m in legal costs should be set against what he saved in not having to buy out shareholders who accepted the Code 9 offer.

    Purchasing the 18.9m shares offered by those shareholders who accepted the offer would have cost him £3.78m plus costs of the offer, so a net saving to him personally of around £3m.

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  2. I guess there is a first time for everything. 

    Today's speciality is that being cold shouldered by the Takeover Panel is actually a great thing. Something innovative that the majority shareholder of every Scottish club would do well to follow. 

    At least, that will be the way the toy poodles in the discredited Scottish media are most likely to portray it.

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  3. Douglas Fraser on the BBC lunchtime bulletin quoting from the Takeover Panel who refer to Mr King as someone not to be trusted. Douglas Fraser also stating that the cold shoulder has only been put into force 4 times in 50 years. It’s starting to look that Mr King has (finally) become persona non grata down Ibrox way.

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  4. It's a wee shame for King, and we shouldn't gloat.

     

    In South Africa they tried to jail him for 84 years…

    and now the City has officially labelled King as a Pariah across the entirety of UK business for 4 years.

     

    It's obviously a conspiracy… and no doubt co-ordinated by 'Rangers' haters!

     

    Mibbees we should start a 'Go Fund Me' page to cheer him up?

    enlightened

     

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  5. One of the first implications from the cold shoulder is the Close loan which I believe was signed off by King , they could well demand immediate repayment . It would also create an issue for any future loans to a company where the Chairman has just been awarded pariah status. Kings' statement indicates he has no intention of standing down which won't encourage any investors as long as he is at the helm .If anything this ruling has afforded him (in his own mind) martyr status. The days and weeks ahead will be interesting . Will we get any comment from the SFA? I doubt it. 

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  6. Timtim, it's personal growth for King;

     

    – from the lying King

    – to the Pariah King

    – and ultimately, the Martyr King!

     

    But, he will now be fair game for negative coverage via the compliant SMSM.

     

    It's going to get messy.

    And funny.

     

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  7. 11.10 a.m in Pennsylvania. We were out last night, so slept late and had a late breakfast. So I have just sat down at the laptop (having cleared up the breakfast stuff) and I am sitting with a smile on my face, ready to forgive the TOP for their delay in dealing proerly with yer man!

    The mills of the TOP/FCA may not grind exceeding small like those of the Deity, but they grind small enough!

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  8. According to the BBC the SFA will discuss Dave King's fit and proper status at their next board meeting. I imagine if they can pass him as a tax evading convicted criminal, he will get another free pass. The SFA are completely and utterly powerless to do anything of note to any Ibrox entity. Major decisions are clearly made outwith SFA board meetings among the real power brokers in  the country. 

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  9. The mills of the TOP/FCA may not grind exceeding small like those of the Deity, but they grind small enough!

    Reading King's statement makes me really wonder whether the man is all there, mentally,  since to me he seems to be detached from reality.

    Lord forgive me, but I am reminded of some of the stuff the Nazi war criminals like the at least half -mad Rudolf Hess would come out with!

    No shame, no contrition, but self-justification ,self- glorification, .self-vindication and contemptuous dismissal of the opinion of the rest of the sane world.

    I think he needs help!

     

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  10. The 4 nil thumpings in the last two games is a reasonable assessment of where Scotland is as a footballing nation.

     

    We're carp and some of us seem to know we are.

    Stevie Clarke might well tighten up our defence and stop it shipping goals but  deep down we all know there is something seriously wrong with our conveyor belt of talent and how our younger footballers are shaped moulded and blooded.

     

    Fast backward a lot of years and many of us were given our first football experiences in schools football at primary and secondary level.

    I remember one particular teacher whose life was teaching english (well) and football.

    He and thousands of others like him gave their own time to football and us for free and I am eternally grateful for what it did for me.

    I never really got the chance to thank him but he'd have smiled and shrugged it off in the old way.

    In the early 80s I remember there was some kind of mega stand off between the education unions and the educationalists about something or other.

    I don't know the detail but at my school Eddie Hutch and the other teachers who took our year teams said well that's it then.

    No more Saturday mornings and no more midweek nights.

     

    Schools football  as was, was holed below the line and the great free conveyor belt of talent was badly compromised.

     

    The real fall out took a long time to be felt but look at our performances recently of our non Glasgow based clubs who play mostly home grown players in Europe and look at what our senior team has become.

    A country punching well below the weight we have become used to.

     

    I'm not going to talk now about the players.

    They are what they are.

     

    Its our grass roots that need some urgent attention.

    Our game needs the Eddie Hutch's of the world more than ever because the clubs and the SFA in whatever kind of partnership just don't pass muster.

    Eddie couldn't even be acceptable today because he was an ex Highland League player but didn't hold whatever coaching cert that Mr Maxwell deems necessary.

    That didn't stop hime being a top coach and man manager though Mr Maxwell.

     

    Our system is broken and we don't seem to have anyone with the wherewithall to see what to do about it and to get the various jigsaw pieces together and in the right places.

     

    To paraprase our red lichtie contributor

     

    Scottish Football needs more Eddie Hutch's urgently

     

     

     

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  11. Finloch, absolutely.

    And you raise a particularly pertinent historical point which "does ma heid in!"

     

    As you state, the generosity of the teachers helped kids develop in football, back in the day.  IIRC, there was a teachers' strike with the fallout being withdrawal of their unpaid support out of hours – and eventually the sale of some schools' pitches.

     

    But my bone of contention is with the SFA.

    IMO, the 'relative' success of the national team in the '70s to '90s was DESPITE the SFA.

    During that era, 99.9% of boys played football as their main recreation pursuit.  The SFA, [and the clubs], didn't have to do much, as the conveyor belt was overflowing with enthusiastic and talented young players with prospects.

     

    IMO, the SFA didn't actually contribute anything significant to create that period of relative success.
    [As a totally obsessed footy playing kid during that era I certainly don’t remember anything relevant.]

     

    So, where we are now: the SFA doesn't have the organisational skills – or experience – of producing a sufficient conveyor belt of talented youth to ultimately support the improvement of the national team.

     

    The SFA doesn't have the answers.

    It never did, and it never will, in its current structure.

     

    Another way to look at it: if the teachers had their strike in the '60s or '70s… would a Scotland team have qualified for any of the Finals tournaments thereafter?

     

    Rant over.  angel

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  12. Finloch@17.00

    From memory the teachers were on strike at various points in 1974/75 and when the dispute was settled all the goodwill i.e. extra-curricula activity disappeared. I can’t remember the details due to the passage of time but it was generally felt by teachers that the various authorities put no value on the time given up by teachers.

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  13. Ex Ludo 11th October 2019 at 1

     

    Finloch@17.00

    From memory the teachers were on strike at various points in 1974/75 

     

    ……….

    Agreed 

    Those were my memory corrupting Tartan Special and Lutomer Riesling days. 

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  14. So you've just been informed by the TOP that – effectively – you are so dodgy that you are not allowed to do business with any FCA regulated business like banks, insurance companies etc. anywhere in the UK.

     

    As the Chairman of a high profile, establishment organisation you wouldn't hesitate: you would resign immediately to avoid further reputational damage – and business risk – and try to retain some dignity by quietly walking away.

     

    …so I'd guess that King is currently in heated discussions with Blue Room Members…

    negotiating his payoff, or he ain't going nowhere – and he certainly won't be quiet about it either!

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  15. https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2019/10/11/urgent-emails-and-blue-room-leaks/

    apparently Close Bros and Metro bank would like a word, if true then things just got a lot uglier for those holding the purse strings at Ibrox. A withdrawal of banking facilities makes daily operations very difficult , wages will be issued in brown paper envelopes and bills will need to be settled in person. Of course if Close brothers demand an instant return of their outstanding loan then there may be very little left to fill those envelopes with. Then there is Mike Ashley waiting in the wings with a sizeable demand . This of course will lead to any and all creditors making a bee line for payment and zero credit facilities being issued to the Ibrox outfit by any sensible business, it will be strictly C.O.D. 

    King of course is unlikely to fall on his sword and exit stage left after all he has a significant shareholding that he would want taken over at the current price of 20p . Todays ruling may however cause some issues with that , it would also put any of the current major shareholders (over 5%) back in the sights of the TOP and force them to make an offer to all other shareholders which would be very costly.

    One other option would be a mass resignation of the board and leave King to clear up his own mess however they would be sacrificing their investment and leaving King in total control. He has already stated he isn't going and the fans have lauded him for his actions so it will be interesting to watch which way the media swing on this, for one it will tell us who is currently settling Level 5's account.1 week ago they had just won the league, now the doors have been kicked in,the tanks are on the lawn and the real Rangers* men have won a chocolate watch . 

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  16. Finloch 11th October 2019 at 17:00

    '.. Our system is broken and we don't seem to have anyone with the wherewithall to see what to do about it ..'

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    Yes, Finloch, it's pretty evident that for whatever reason or reasons , Scottish Football in terms of the National team and international competitions, has been on the decline for decades.

    I don't think there are any grounds for believing that before 2012 there was the same fundamental rotteness at the very core of our Sport's Governance body that became evident in the nonsense of the 5-Way Agreement.

    But I think I can safely say that a governance body as rotten and deceitful as the SFA has been since 2012  when it abandoned the very idea of sporting integrity by crediting a brand new club with the sporting achievements of a dead club cannot be trusted to act in the best interests of the Sport it governs.

    Let the SFA come clean,  let the record books and all public reference to TRFC make it clear that that club is NOT RFC of 1872, square up to the sporting truth, and we can all get behind (a newly constituted )Board in the search for remedies to halt the decline and reinvigorate our Sport.

    Fundamentally, who would give a serious  toss about our international standing when domestically we have a rigged game that has nothing to do with 'sport'?

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  17. StevieBC 11th October 2019 at 18:31 

              So you've just been informed by the TOP that – effectively – you are so dodgy that you are not allowed to do business with any FCA regulated business like banks, insurance companies etc. anywhere in the UK.

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       It's also brings disrepute down upon the national game Stevie, (although it could be argued that our performance does that by itself). 

       In a real world the cold-shouldering is the business of the SFA. It is the business of every Scottish club…..Sevco are owned by one helluva dodgy geezer…And its official  !!!

       I'm not sure if the SFA will want to go near having their Fit & Proper fiasco coming under scrutiny……..So the disrepute route would be a get out of jail card for them……..But the big liar knows where the bodies are buried……………….Its a tricky wan eh. 

     

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  18. I thought Mr King had failed the FFP but this was only discovered at one of the many court cases with SDI. I think it might have been the case where Keith told us King had wiped the floor with big Mike.

    During the case it was discovered that the SFA had ruled against King, hence he is only of the board of RIFC and not TRFC.

    Or have I imagined this?🤔

     

     

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  19. John Clark 11th October 2019 at 16:41
    No shame, no contrition, but self-justification ,self- glorification, .self-vindication and contemptuous dismissal of the opinion of the rest of the sane world.

    Sounds a lot like Boris.

     

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  20. I don't want to pour cold water on everyone's thoughts on this latest disgrace to what's left of the good name of Scottish football, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that what we've just heard about today was already known by the board of RIFCplc. Yet they went against all common sense and not only lent the basket case club a few more million pounds, they then threw it all away with a the debt for equity swop. And all with the threat of the SDI settlement, and who knows what else, to come.

    I find it hard to believe they'd leave themselves so exposed if they didn't have a plan.

    Could it be that Big Mike has let it be known he would be open to negotiations if his hated enemy was no longer at the club? Negotiations that may result in a reduced settlement with a merchandising deal that, perhaps not great for TRFC, but one that at least keeps the lights on.

    If I am in any way correct, the plan will be to see King gone with an undislcosed setlement, and, I'd suspect, a cutting of the club's cloth with, probably, an Ashley man on the board.

    Whatever, I suspect this, far from being out and out bad news for the club's future, will be the opportunity the saner elements of the board have been waiting for to get rid of the odious King and create a new dawn.

    I do hope, though, that I am totally wrong. And, of course, it all depends on just how difficult getting rid of King might prove to be.

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  21. If anyone solely relied on Twitter for their news then all is well in Rangersworld with regard to the TOP verdict. It’s been welcomed as a victory no less. Cognitive dissonance anyone?

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  22. I have no doubt that King has a personality disorder, as humans we are all unique so it's difficult to put a general label on a unique case but he ticks many of the boxes of both sociopathic disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. It's quite disturbing to realise just how many people in positions of power and authority have the symptoms of this illness. Indeed large financial institutions have been known to seek out sociopaths for senior positions as having a lack of empathy helps when destroying peoples lives.

     

    https://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

    The  link for the symptoms of sociopathic disorder certainly seems to describe King from the start  

    1- glibness and superficial charm

    In fact nearly every point after that is a fair representation of his personality , he is a dangerous individual and he does need help before he destroys many more lives including his own.

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  23. Allyjambo 11th October 2019 at 20:34
    I find it hard to believe they’d leave themselves so exposed if they didn’t have a plan.

    Could it be that Big Mike has let it be known he would be open to negotiations if his hated enemy was no longer at the club? Negotiations that may result in a reduced settlement with a merchandising deal that, perhaps not great for TRFC, but one that at least keeps the lights on.

    If I am in any way correct, the plan will be to see King gone with an undislcosed setlement, and, I’d suspect, a cutting of the club’s cloth with, probably, an Ashley man on the board.

    Whatever, I suspect this, far from being out and out bad news for the club’s future, will be the opportunity the saner elements of the board have been waiting for to get rid of the odious King and create a new dawn.

    I do hope, though, that I am totally wrong. And, of course, it all depends on just how difficult getting rid of King might prove to be.
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    What i was thinking also. But how do you sell that to the fans after all their boycots and Ashley out campaigns?

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  24. CO / neebs67,

    IIRC, the compromise agreement around the 'Fit and Proper Test', was that King wouldn't be on the Board of TRFC, thus he wouldn't be directly involved with the football operation – on paper anyway.

    King being Chairman of the parent / holding company RIFC was deemed acceptable by the SFA.

    But, as we all have clearly seen in the media from day 1, King has acted as a brazenly conspicuous 'shadow director' of the football club – as confirmed yet again by his personal statement on the TRFC website.  

     

    We all know that the SFA will do bugger all.

    We, the long suffering punters, should officially notify the SFA incompetents that we are giving them the 'Cold Shoulder' too – for being at least as dodgy as Chairman King!

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  25. Which is the more grave offence-to break the 'non-statutory' rules of the TOP, as Mr King did, or for a lawyer declared by a judge to have lied in Court?

    The TOP has taken action against King but only after a lengthy period. Will it be a similar length of time before any body (eg the Law Society of Scotland?) or even the Courts take action against the lying lawyer?

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  26. Aj, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable scenario.

    All we can state with certainty today, IMO, after the TOP decision, is that RIFC is even more exposed and vulnerable.

    …and that's even before the audited 2018/19 financials have been made public.

     

    It's a club ripe for picking at a rock bottom price…if your name is Big Mike.  indecision

     

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  27. Ex Ludo 11th October 2019 at 14:32
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    Douglas Fraser on the BBC lunchtime bulletin quoting from the Takeover Panel who refer to Mr King as someone not to be trusted. Douglas Fraser also stating that the cold shoulder has only been put into force 4 times in 50 years. It’s starting to look that Mr King has (finally) become persona non grata down Ibrox way.
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    John Clark 11th October 2019 at 20:56
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    Which is the more grave offence-to break the ‘non-statutory’ rules of the TOP, as Mr King did, or for a lawyer declared by a judge to have lied in Court?

    The TOP has taken action against King but only after a lengthy period. Will it be a similar length of time before any body (eg the Law Society of Scotland?) or even the Courts take action against the lying lawyer?
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    JC you just beat me to that;-)
    STRIP ROW Rangers secretary James Blair ‘untruthful’ in Sports Direct row says judge
    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/4517096/james-blair-rangers-sports-direct-findings-court-millions-judgement-kit-hummel/
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    Why would anyone do business with this club company?
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    Oh! some great pictures in that link to what the ibrox fans think of Ashley that goes with Allyjambo 11th October 2019 at 20:34 and my Cluster One 11th October 2019 at 20:54 thoughts

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  28. Finloch 11th October 2019 at 17:00

    I suspect I am one of many on here who could give you a fortnight on that subject.

    The number of schools entering teams into all age groups of the SSFA (schools football) competitions is well below what it was when Mr Hutch was taking your team, or Mr Robertson mine.

    Nonetheless, there remains a healthy competition and, if there is a willingness on schools' management teams to allow matches to be played during the pupil day then that will continue. For very good reasons, it rarely happens these days on Saturday mornings, which is a shame, but an inevitable consequence of teachers’ goodwill being exploited for so long.

    I agree that the opportunity for boys and girls to play school football is very important, not only for senior clubs or the national teams, but for the continuing benefit through life of the participants, and indirectly the country too.

    End, before rant.

    Macfurgly

     

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  29. Will be interesting the SFA statement if any, considering fans have reached a crossroads with the national team and apperantely it' s looking like he SFA are the main culpripts for all the failures.

    Scrutiny has arrived at the right time the corruption they allowed to happen in their watch is hopefully coming home to roost. 

    All the talk about King knowing were all the bodies lie, would be better been exposed by the SFA regards the bodies themselves and let the resignations take place and clean the game of placemen who have taken more than has ever been invested in the game. It has to fall in order to grow again free from the baggage that is hidden within the 5 way secret handshake, this in itself to have been done in secrecy was a disgrace and an affront to fans all up and down the country, for top have given priority, favouritism and preference to a club who simply suffered the same fate as other clubs is a national disgrace, Liquidation was the end of that club when they failed to achieve a CVA, Shamless Faceless Association.

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  30. Well I took a deep breath, held my nose and jumped into followfollow to gauge the opinion of the rank and file on todays' revelations. Almost to a man they have him up for a Nobel Peace prize, Time magazine man of the year, a Knighthood, a lifetime membership of the Tufty club and the person most likely to get a deal on Brexit . Not one of them can see that the run in with the TOP could have been totally avoided if he had heeded the advice not to exceed the 30% limit . He will go down in Rangers* history …….yes he will , but maybe not the way you think. 

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  31. Cluster One 11th October 2019 at 20:54 What i was thinking also. But how do you sell that to the fans after all their boycots and Ashley out campaigns?

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    They've bought everything so far, CO, and when they get hit with another tsunami of anti-King and pro-'honest' directors with pro-Ashley PR they'll buy it all again. All helped by being at the top of the league, of course. Remember, Green was a god until the PR was turned against him.

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  32. Recent postings prompted a look at our near neighbours to see how they are so superior in player development. I am not convinced they are. I remember as I’m sure other posters do too, the FA school of excellence in the 80's/90's . An academy promoted by the FA to winnow the wheat from the chaff of aspiring young footballers. It did produce some results ,one of which currently plays in Glasgow, Jermaine Defoe. Ultimately it was disbanded as the coaching and tactics were deemed outdated and the responsibility for producing the next generation of Defoe was devolved back to the clubs. Given their numerical advantage I don't believe England , perhaps of late preferring to spend money on casting the net further afield , has succeeded in this arena any more than Scotland. Looking at the current English squad it would be difficult to pick any single player as a sure fire starter in a European select. Commercial imperatives will always mention Kane or Sterling but realistically not for me. Iceland is sometimes held up as an example of small country success but again I think this is more down to a limited squad selection promoting an almost regular team cohesion and understanding. Holland and France are the real deal. What are they doing that we are not?

     

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  33. Timtim 11th October 2019 at 20:57  AJ@20.34 It seems that the board were first made aware of the ruling on the 2nd October and the extra shares were received for filing also on the 2nd October although the shares were allotted from the 18th to the 24th of September so King may have duped them . It's hard to think they would have gone ahead with this knowing what the TOP was going to announce. https://www.rangersnews.uk/news/rangers-create-7m-after-35m-shares-issued-by-ibrox-club/

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    We'll never know what the thought process was that led them to go ahead with these additional loans then debt for equity swaps but they will have had an idea the 'cold shoulder' was on the way, or likely to be at some point. They surely also know not to trust the word of King by now, so something must have made it seem like the best way to go (unless they are prepared to keep finding the cash for an eternity).

    Total speculation, of course, but I don't see this latest episode of the King Effect as necessarily a bad thing (morals etc being of no interest down Govan way) if the plan is to get rid of him, and if they do get rid of him, perhaps, just perhaps, Ashley would enjoy flashing the two fingers at King as he disappears with his tail between his legs back home to SA.

    Of course, having a plan to oust someone like King is one thing, getting him to play ball is another, and I'm sure he'll want his pound of flesh, and a bit more, before we see the last of him. What's more, if he doesn't want to leave, he won't go quietly, especially if he has any dirt on his fellow board members.

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  34. @AJ That is going to take a complete reversal from current opinion, I was just thinking that if there is a split in the boardroom and they do want King out then if he digs his heels in it is going to be very difficult . To force King the saviour out and take back an Ashley placeman is going to be a momentous task for even the best spin Master. Unless this forces them into an admin event I really can't see them turning on King then turning to Ashley to save them. It's certainly worth getting in a family sized bucket of popcorn to watch how it all pans out though.

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  35. StevieBC @ 21.10 11 Oct

    Re: Possible sale of The Rangers FC

    I think the TOP cold shouldering of King will directly/indirectly provoke a potential sale of the club  but not to Ashley as you speculate but perhaps to someone closer to home i.e Borita Holdings/Barry Scott or connections to them out of the Far East – Douglas Park with 16% shareholding may look to cash in – you can envisage the sales pitch to potential Far East buyers – top of the league , top class famous ex player now manager , access to European football , millions of international fans – yours for say £75 million as a figure plucked out of nowhere .

    King can toddle off to SA with the cash he wants (now offshore) his reputation of sainthood secure with the fanbase – who knows but I think the TOP decision could be a game-changer .

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  36. There are certain parallels in the way President Trump is perceived by his core support and the view taken by many *Rangers fans towards Mr King. Neither  man can do no wrong in their eyes and it’s always the fault of someone else. Across the pond Congress is preparing a case for impeachment against the President however Republican senators are somewhat reluctant to support such a move. Meanwhile, down Ibrox way the boards of RIFC and TRFC are reported to be divided over what to do about Mr King.

    I suppose it all depends on what you see in front of you. I happened to catch Thought for the Day earlier this week on Radio4. It was delivered by a senior Rabbi from London who discussed the nature of reality and how there was now a trend which seemed to tolerate alternative realities no matter how compelling the evidence presented. There are still people in the world who deny the Holocaust took place and that the whole thing was a fabrication. What chance have we got to convince anyone that what happened to RFC in 2012 did actually happen and about the cover up ever since?

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  37. An excerpt from Phil McNulty's BBC report on the recent international game;

    "…grim evidence of a dismal and thoroughly deserved defeat…

    It was a disturbing night…

    a defensive shambles…

    a thoroughly forgettable, desperately mediocre performance…

    a dreadful night all round…"

     

    No, this wasn't about Scotland's 4-0 loss to Russia.

    This was actually written about England's 2-1 defeat – away – to the Czech Republic last night.

    And that was England's first loss in ANY qualifier game for 43 games: breaking a 10 year streak of either winning or drawing.

    From what I saw of the game, England were indeed poor but the Czechs were certainly up for it and a decent outfit. 

    Southgate is getting pelters for merely delaying their qualification to Euro 2020.

     

    Steve Clarke is getting pelters for the inevitable results stemming from decades of mismanagement of Scottish football by the SFA.

    And how many are going to bother paying a mindboggling £27 a ticket to go and watch San Marino play at the Hampden Athletics Stadium tomorrow…?

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  38. No surprise to anyone that the Daily Record app is now only showing the Rangers/King press release telling us all how he's taken one for the team! Will the SFA pat him on the back and say well done? Even the bookies will not give us odds on that as they say it's a certainty. 

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  39. Timtim 12th October 2019 at 00:36 @AJ That is going to take a complete reversal from current opinion, I was just thinking that if there is a split in the boardroom and they do want King out then if he digs his heels in it is going to be very difficult . To force King the saviour out and take back an Ashley placeman is going to be a momentous task for even the best spin Master. Unless this forces them into an admin event I really can't see them turning on King then turning to Ashley to save them. It's certainly worth getting in a family sized bucket of popcorn to watch how it all pans out though.

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    The scenario I've painted was merely me trying to put together one possibility of how the 'cold shoulder' might help TRFC, and, in particular, aid the non-King faction on the board (if there is, indeed, such a faction). I very much doubt that even if I am close to being correct that it will work anything like I'm suggesting.

    The TRFC support have shown themselves to be very ready to change with the wind and to swallow anything the TRFC/Level Falsehood say, so there's a possibility they might eventually accept whatever comes down the pike, especially if they see it as the only way forward.

    Remember, too, that not all plans work and the possible King opposition might be thwarted, in which case, the 'cold shoulder' could well be a disaster for the club, but only if the 'directors loans' are a thing of the past and/or Close Bros decide to call in their loans.

    In truth, the scenario I painted was not something I thought 'this will happen' but was nothing more than an illustration of how TRFC might benefit – to counter the out and out assumption that things have got seriously worse for TRFC.

    Of course, if Ashley is geuinely of a mind to take TRFC to the cleaners then this might well be the signal for him to seek an arrestment to cover his anticipated settlement which, in all likelihood, would be a signal for Close Bros to act, too. But somehow I feel this is too much wishful thinking and would expect something closer to my earlier scenario to be the more likely of the two.

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  40. Am I the only one who remembers Dave King voting against the CVA which would have prevented that club's liquidation ?I think I should be told !

     

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  41. Good afternoon, chaps.

    I may be wrong, frequently am, but I  thought that unless King bought out all other shareholders in the company, the CS would also be on them.

    If King became the only shareholder, then he alone would feel the chill.

    Am I right or a meringue?

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  42. Good afternoon, chaps.

    I may be wrong, frequently am, but I  thought that unless King bought out all other shareholders in the company, the CS would also be on them.

    If King became the only shareholder, then he alone would feel the chill.

    Am I right or a meringue?

    Asking for a friend.

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  43. King really has to walk now, to stay would be disastrous for the Holding Company and the club*, if he leaves it opens the door to an eventual return to the AIM and finding a NOMAD ,this leads to more opportunity to raise funds and operate at a higher level . The board were aware that the TOP was meeting with King and were represented by Blair at that hearing but Blair has previous for being duplicitous and may have told them what King wanted them to hear rather than what they needed to hear. This may be Kings last opportunity to walk away as a hero in the eyes of the fans , indeed the board may be happy with that scenario if it rids them of his presence however someone will have to step up and cover the cash shortfall that he was guaranteeing . Will King go of his own accord? I think he will be loving the accolades and relishing the possibility of new battles , history tells us he rarely makes the correct decision . Personally I hope he stays to the bitter end 

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  44.    Is the cold-shouldering a two-way street when it comes to take-overs?……I get that jumping into bed with The Big Liar in the event of a take-over is a huge No-No….Not a wise choice…..But !

        What if it is he himself, Or RIFC PLC, that is the target of a take-over? (either from within or without).

    After all….A take-over is a take-over. Who can align on the side of the leper?

           

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  45. The last few years the ibrox board have gone to Close Bros for a loan. With the king cold shoulder i can’t see close brothers providing a loan this season. will the ibrox board need one? Who from within ibrox will step up if they need a loan?

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  46. Finance is not my game. Can anyone advise exactly on how the cold shoulder might affect Rangers? I am simply not buying this lickspittle media PR that the club is is not going to be affected when the major shareholder has been sanctioned in this way. 

    I really am sick to death of the media and the football authorities turning a blind eye to any sort of wrongdoing within Ibrox. 

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  47. Cluster One@15.29

    The rate of interest charged by Close is excessive so why didn't any of the Board step up and lend the money themselves ? Since the Close loan they have lent money and done a debt for equity swap so what has changed? Lending money then swapping it for devalued shares and borrowing money at high rates just doesn't make sense.Until the accounts come out we can't see the state of play and even then they don't show what is presently happening. We do know they have sold nobody of  value but have spent on new players and increased the wage bill although income is up. I would imagine they do need further funding and the current Close loan will need repaid before any new loan can be negotiated this is before Ashley wants his issue settled , then of course there may be further settlements from those affected such as Hummel and Elite . Even before the cold shoulder came into play they were between a rock and a hard place , now I have to say it looks terminal. Of course if someone is prepared to bankroll this basket case of a company then they can continue indefinitely .

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  48. Timtim 12th October 2019 at 16:19
    ………………
    I take it that king can’t now put his signature to anything involving an agreement with a UK company. Someone else at ibrox will have to step up and put his signature to any deals and take the consequences.
    Who signed off the last shirt deal?
    Who signed off the last close brothers deal?
    The thing is if it was king who did, then any UK based company won’t deal with him now. This will also affect any new deals with shirt making companys and suppliers of anything if king’s signature has to be the last one on the deals.
    Who will now take the risk of signing anything off?

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  49. King is now Persona non Grata in the business world, anyone that was connected to him will be viewed with suspicion  and anyone who continues to associate themselves with him will be shunned. This creates a massive problem for the Ibrox operation , they need him for his cash yet they need to ditch him in order to be seen as above board . Getting him to step down may well create an issue with the fans who see him as the messiah and this puts King firmly in the driving seat to negotiate his departure on favourable terms for him. It will take someone with very deep pockets to sort this , buying King out would cost £12m iirc which then takes them back to TOP for breaching the 30% limit, then there is the Ashley settlement reputed to be approx 10m, the Close loan 6m? then Elite then Hummel and I haven't forgotten the roof repairs (which nobody is mentioning any more) King will play Russian Roulette with them , he has no other option really and they know in 2012 he voted against a CVA so emotional attachment isn't of interest to him. Do they hang this out until January throwing good money after bad in the slim hope they can sell some wonderkid for 25m , stay top of the league and gamble on the holy grail of CL riches coming there way? It hasn't worked so far and it didn't work last time in 2012, it's a very expensive gamble and I don't think they're daft enough to go all in . It's time imo to rip it up and start again.

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  50. With king being one of only four people in the last 50 years to be cold shouldered and sanctioned like this. Does anyone know how it worked out for the other three?

    It may have already been mentioned on SFM  back in the day when we thought king was due the cold shoulder a time ago.

    I have not read anywhere these last few days a comparison to king and what could happen and what did happen to his now three acquaintances.

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  51. Another question if i may?
    …………….
    Rangers chairman Dave King’s status as “fit and proper” will be discussed by the Scottish FA at their next board meeting after he was sanctioned by the Takeover panel.
    …………..
    Anyone know when the next Scottish FA board meeting will be held?
    I’m sure all members of this board will be at Hampden tomorrow, Even if it maybe a record low crowd in the stands, could be an ideal time to gather round the table even if it is not in an official board meeting capacity.

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  52. Timtim 12th October 2019 at 19:52
    ARTHUR LEONARD ROBERT MORTON (“MR MORTON”) AND JOHN BENJAMIN GARNER (“MR GARNER”)

    http://www.thetakeoverpanel.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017-1.pdf
    ………….
    64. What is
    significant, however, is that neither Mr Morton nor Mr Garner instructed their legal
    teams to challenge the Executive’s case on breach of the Code or to test by crossexamination
    any aspect of the evidence. The Committee concludes that the position
    taken was realistic and simply recognised that the evidence produced by the
    Executive was irrefutable.
    …………..
    I wonder if like Mr king that ruling allowed themselves to draw a line under it?

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  53. I think the next disciplinary meeting is scheduled for 24th October not sure if that constitutes as a board meeting but afaik the state of play is King was never passed as FPP and that's the reason he doesn't sit on the TRFC Board but only on the RIFC (holding Company) I doubt the SFA have much power to do anything here unless they sine die him aka Craig Whyte which will leave them vulnerable should an admin event occur . The SFA will do what they always do in regards to tricky situations at Ibrox ,they will ignore the elephant in the room and claim it's not a matter that falls under their jurisdiction unless King takes up a position with the member club*

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  54. Timtim 12th October 2019 at 21:10
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    I think the next disciplinary meeting is scheduled for 24th October not sure if that constitutes as a board meeting.
    …………….
    I had a look for myself on the scottish FA web site but could only find boards and committees but not when they sit.
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    King was never passed as FPP and that’s the reason he doesn’t sit on the TRFC Board but only on the RIFC (holding Company) I doubt the SFA have much power to do anything here unless they sine die him.
    ……….
    We know that the SFA tell lies.
    https://twitter.com/ClusterOne2/status/1182716273463037952/photo/1

    How will they spin this one, as they and the media portray him as the club chairman. Someone will have to bite the bullit on this one, maybe the SFA and the media will now have to let it be known king is only the company chairman, but when things like that have to be let known people start to realise also that it’s not shares they are buying in the club but shares in a company.
    ……………
    Ps. thanks for the links ( reading through them and thanks for replies)

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  55. Looking for something and found this.
    https://archive.sfm.scot/small-price-to-pay/comment-page-19/
    We’ve said it before, and at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I’ll say it again;

    For Rangers to have a fighting chance of competing at the top of football, King needs to be gone. If he does go, half of the barriers preventing the club raising cash are dismantled.

    So is King’s departure a price worth paying? If he really had Rangers in his heart, he would say ‘Yes’.

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  56. “The complaint to the Takeover Panel was made by RIFC’s former chairman David Somers as part of the old board’s efforts to preserve their positions without regard to what was best for Rangers Football Club, its supporters and shareholders.
    ……………
    Mr Somers may just be having a quite drink and a smile to himself this evening.

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  57. Imagine if Dave king was hit with a £10 mill damage claim last week and this week he is cold shouldered. Would he still be at inrox this morning?

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  58. I assume if there is a going concern warning in the next Rangers accounts neither King or any of his companies can act as a guarantor? Also, is he allowed to put his signature on them, and can the Auditors even do business with him?

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