In Whose Interests

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Any organisation’s plan for a top-down review of development would ordinarily be welcome news. Self evaluation, or even better independent evaluation is an ongoing process amongst professionals, individually and collectively alike. In the case of the SFA however a healthy scepticism is required. We are after all dealing with people who are the poster boys for self-interest and short-termism.

The SFA had previously commissioned a thorough review of the game (decades ago) by Rinus Michels, the inventor of “Total Football” and his report was largely ignored, partly because it implied criticism of the then current regime, and partly because it would cost money. A “Total Shambles”.

Henry McLeish also famously recommended (again after being commissioned to do so by the SFA) a more balanced approach to governance between the SFA and SPFL. This would have required a blazer or two having less say in the running of the game – and was therefore ignored.

Mark Wotte, the prominent Dutch coach hired as performance director at Hampden also suggested during his tenure that, in order to improve technique, more ball time should be provided for players in games.

He recommended seven a side competitions as the norm for u-15s (less players – more participation).

To accommodate this, club infrastructures would have required expensive upgrading, and coaches in clubs, not responsive to new ideas lobbied hard for the status quo.

The upshot is that we carried on with the same eleven-a-side games where many players hardly got a kick.
And in this classic Einsteinean definition of insanity, no overall improvements were to be found in the national team’s fortunes.

No wonder Wotte fled the scene in 2014 after three years.

Of course the details are debatable and subjective, but experience tells us;
Anything that
a) costs money or
b) upsets old boys’ networks
has a tendency to be hidden out of sight.

The recent “announcement” is merely a reaction to a couple of poor results, caused in part by inaction in the wake of previous reports’ recommendations.

An increasing number of observers of our game refer to an inferior mindset amongst players in Scotland, that we accept losing as the norm.

Hardly surprising that such a mindset is prevalent amongst professionals.
They must despair at the chronic self-interest, ineptitude and fecklessness of the “leaders” of our sport – an organisation that appointed Gordon Smith as CE (think about that for a minute) based on who his pals were, where McGregor and Petrie can become senior officers – “because it’s his turn!” – despite being unqualified squares in a round ball game, and where fairy-tales take precedence over reality.

As long as the blazers have a seat on the SFA bus, nothing will change.

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  1. I started to read Lord Pentland's decision on Friday's proceedings in the Outer House of the Court of Session which will no doubt be appealed to the Inner House and to the Supreme Court.

    I thought I would be reading the ins and outs, twists and turns, points for and against both sides, scope for appeal…

    As it is I can't get past the Instance designing the parties.

    Since when has Boris Johnson been a QC?

    Since when has Lord Keen ceased to be a QC?

    I can't help thinking if this is the attention being paid to detail I'll be reading the rest of the decision with at least one raised eyebrow.

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  2. Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 13:23

    Again, I didn't say Rangers or Celtic controlled the media simply because they don't and it would be unreasonable to believe otherwise. They do however have a very strong influence through their placemen, cheerleaders and supporters/sympathisers in the media.

    It would be interesting if you would name these people (copyright A McCoist). I imagine, or I may be paranoid, that The Rangers list will be longer. Over to you.mail

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  3. EJ

    I for one would be interested in the machinations around Hearts problems. 

    My sense is that every football admin process is different to the others and Murray’s book might shed some new perspective

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  4. Ex Ludo 7th October 2019 at 15:41

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1181180091067437056?s=21

    ”Bad owners” you say? Not good for the club they own?

    Apologies for the political intrusion (other parties are available in the interests of balance)

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    Football clubs may not be political entities but they are symbolic of the status and well being of the communities where they reside. Their success or failure can and does have a political impact on those communities. The impact of the failure of a football club is little different to the closure of a major employer in that regard.  

    It is hardly surprising that politicians do intervene on behalf of football clubs. Most hold influence in the constituencies they represent and the clubs therein. In some cases a few have more national recognition. That's why I wasn't concerned when Alex Salmond was asked to comment on the Rangers situation in 2012.

    George Foulkes was a former chairman of Hearts.  Indeed Ian Murray who I referred to in an earlier post about his book was first engaged to see if he could help Hearts with their tax case in November 2012. He then spoke to David Gaulke, a then treasury minister, who put him in touch with the right people at HMRC. It didn't change anything but Ian was able to understand HMRC's stance. Hearts had previously been subject to winding up orders in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

    Before Hearts went into administration, Ian had detailed discussions with Finance Secretary John Swinney, then got a cross party group together involving Alastair Darling, David McLetchie, Alex Salmond and Mike Pringle, all Hearts supporters, to use their standing and influence to do whatever they could to assist the club. Ian himself subsequently became chairman of the Foundation of Hearts.

    Political influence continued during Hearts administration through the Lithuanian Ambassador. She was able to exert some influence on the Lithuanian authorities.   

    I know that local politicians also took an interest in both Bolton and Bury's travails. It's a normal reaction and not one that I believe should be viewed as inappropriate. 

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  5. Ballyargus

    7th October 2019 at 15:42
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    That's just whataboutery and doesn't address the point I was making in any way.

     

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  6. dom16 7th October 2019 at 16:12

    EJ

    I for one would be interested in the machinations around Hearts problems. 

    My sense is that every football admin process is different to the others and Murray’s book might shed some new perspective.

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    If I can summarise in a few paragraphs, there were a range of issues at play. We had a foreign owner. That foreign owner was insolvent themselves, so their administrators were looking for the best return for their creditors and the Lithuanian legal processes were interminably slow, which had a knock on impact on the progression towards a CVA and the transfer of shares.

    Hearts administrators themselves had the more common problems of multiple groups being interested, but few having the means to deliver a bid. They weren't helped by Hibs supporters writing to the Lithuanians advising that the assets were worth more than they had been offered and a couple of previously rejected bidders going over their heads and making offers for the club directly to the Lithuanian administrators. These "offers" were never backed up by proof of funds.

    FOH itself was not without its problems in the early stages. It had been set up in 2010 (three years before administration) but, once the club's crisis deepened in 2012/13 there were, lets say, personality clashes and differences of opinion and approach between the founder directors, the fans groups representatives who had been brought on board and Supporters Direct representatives who were engaged to assist in developing a fan ownership model.  Fortunately those issues were overcome, although not without some casualties on the way. 

    A lot of the book is taken up talking about those events, communications, discussions, meetings etc.

    If you bear with me, it might be possible for us all to get a better insight on those machinations in the next week or two. 

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  7. Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 13:28
    Their internal PR Dept and Hollicom.
    ……………..
    Thanks for reply. You learn something new every day on SFM.
    But can they manipulate the media the way a Level 5 PR and ibrox partnership with STV can?
    I for one very much can’t see if they can, otherwise we would see more of a challenge against the same club myth.
    What we have from the ibrox side are journalists who will tell you “We were told what to write, so we wrote it” Even though they know it is a lot of Bogs Dollox’s. What other club has that kind of media clout.

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  8. Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 17:12

    That's just whataboutery and doesn't address the point I was making in any way.

    I don't think so. It's a legitimate question to a bald statement made by you without any evidence. That why I asked for names, anyone can make unsubstantiated statements.

     

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  9. Ballyargus 7th October 2019 at 15:42
    It would be interesting if you would name these people (copyright A McCoist)
    ……………………
    I laughed out loud at that;-) (copyright A McCoist)… Brilliant.
    ……………….
    I imagine, or I may be paranoid, that The Rangers list will be longer.
    …………
    It is not the list i would like to see, it is how much it costs compared to other clubs.
    ………………..

    Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 13:23

    Again, I didn’t say Rangers or Celtic controlled the media simply because they don’t and it would be unreasonable to believe otherwise. They do however have a very strong influence through their placemen, cheerleaders and supporters/sympathisers in the media.
    …………………..
    How much is a strong influence away from control?

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  10. Cluster One7th October 2019 at 18:46

    Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 13:28
    Their internal PR Dept and Hollicom.
    ……………..
    Thanks for reply. You learn something new every day on SFM.
    But can they manipulate the media the way a Level 5 PR and ibrox partnership with STV can?
    I for one very much can’t see if they can, otherwise we would see more of a challenge against the same club myth.
    What we have from the ibrox side are journalists who will tell you “We were told what to write, so we wrote it” Even though they know it is a lot of Bogs Dollox’s. What other club has that kind of media clout.

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    My point isn't about which one of the Big2 can most influence the media. I was originally remarking on the fact they both use it to their commercial advantage. Often in underhand ways. You appear to be surprised Celtic use a PR firm.

    BTW Celtic have no interest in attacking the same club myth. All of their actions to date suggest the opposite.

    Tame sports writers will write nice things about both clubs because they have no integrity, are lazy and terrified of losing their communication channels into the clubs. Now and again the scribblers annoy them and their reporting privileges are removed e.g. Keevins and McLaughlan.

    Maybe Rangers do it more. I haven't measured it.

     

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  11. Ballyargus7th October 2019 at 18:49

    Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 17:12

    That's just whataboutery and doesn't address the point I was making in any way.

    I don't think so. It's a legitimate question to a bald statement made by you without any evidence. That why I asked for names, anyone can make unsubstantiated statements.

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    But interestingly it's a bald statement not backed up by facts that you actually agree with. Your only quibble is that Rangers do it more and you want me to prove it.

    This is one of the weaknesses of this site because when challenged many posters become defensive rather than engage in debate and then spend their energy rebutting what they perceive as some kind of attack on Celtic. It may be critical but it's not an attack and should be discussed with an open mind.

    Anyway, I've said my piece and won't trouble youse any further in future. Have fun discussing the old club/new club conundrum ad infinitum.

     

     

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  12. Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 18:59
    You appear to be surprised Celtic use a PR firm.
    …………….
    No not surprised, just that i had never heard of then. Not at the level other PR firms are spoken about anyway.
    ……………..
    BTW Celtic have no interest in attacking the same club myth.
    ………..
    Not many journalists do either.
    …………….
    Tame sports writers will write nice things about both clubs because they have no integrity, are lazy and terrified of losing their communication channels into the clubs. Now and again the scribblers annoy them and their reporting privileges are removed e.g. Keevins and McLaughlan.
    …………….
    They are terrified to lose their jobs. One or two would rather not loose their jobs but have. Better to loose your job than your self respect eg Jim Spence.

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  13. Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 20:44
    This is one of the weaknesses of this site because when challenged many posters become defensive rather than engage in debate.
    ………………
    I have only seen debate and questions asked and answered as best of knowledge in a nice enough manner.

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  14. Continuing on the subject of football clubs and PR. For the PR to work you need a media ready and willing to believe and repeat what is being issued without question. This is something every incumbent at Ibrox has had since the days of David Murray. Celtic, and indeed no other club have that luxury, or have ever had. In fact, the media negativity at times surrounding such a well run club as Celtic is beyond belief. 

    It's just the way Scotland is. 

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  15. He who pays the piper calls the tune, Jim Traynors' 180 deg turn when he accepted a position from Charles Green is probably the best example. In retrospect it was a master stroke by Green , rather than shooting the messenger he invested 30 pieces of silver in him and changed the narrative . This not only got him an experienced media man it also bought Traynors malign influence of others working within the Press, I am reluctant to refer to them as journalists. It's an almost impossible task not to be affected by the cabal , the dog whistle will and has been used to devastating effect against those who go against the grain. When police protection is required and your family is put at risk the majority of us realise that is a price not worth paying. Who are these people? Ask Ally for further details.

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  16. Talking of PR spin…

    Traynor is going to have put some extra effort into managing the narrative at Ibrox soon.

     

    During the international break it's mostly all positive;

    top of the league, 'closing in' on a Director of Football from the lofty heights of the EPL, etc.

     

    But the bad news coming are the 2018/19 accounts in a few weeks time.

    Traynor is going to have to dream up possibly his biggest, fluffiest Ibrox squirrel to date, in order to sustain the feel good factor… and with Christmas merchandise shopping rapidly approaching for the bears.

     

    Mibbees an 'unnamed billionaire' – possibly from China – will be desperate to buy the Ibrox club?

    enlightened

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  17. With Champions League riches now on the horizon and  Gerrard working wonders in curtailing the temperament of Alfredo Morelos while also improving him on the park the future of this 147 year old institution has never been rosier. Gerrards biggest battle won't be stopping 9 in a row it will be fending off the elite clubs of Europe who will see rich pickings come Januarys' transfer window for his much improved squad. For years the internet bampots have warned of impending doom and financial disaster yet time and again Dave King and his board have stepped up to the plate when it mattered . Sources close to the boardroom have seen details of a private fund that will settle the long running feud with Mike Ashley in the clubs* favour . The latest accounts while not showing a profit just yet are not a concern to the South African based business magnate who maintains that one season of group stage competition in the Champions League will wipe out the losses overnight. Charles Green may want to book a seat to hear that CL anthem but he better be quick as the demand will far exceed the supply .

    As you can see this media lark really is a piece of pish , if Jim is looking in I am available if the price is right .

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  18. StevieBC 8th October 2019 at 11:30

    As things stand I would imagine avalanches of bad news are waiting to be released on 31st. October, to be buried under the uberavalanche of Brexit. Were I a betting man, I'd have a shilling on the accounts being in there somewhere.

    It might even be worth buying a newspaper, just to skip to p47 and find out what is really going on across the nation that we're not to know about.

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  19. macfurgly 8th October 2019 at 12:51

    StevieBC 8th October 2019 at 11:30

    As things stand I would imagine avalanches of bad news are waiting to be released on 31st. October, to be buried under the uberavalanche of Brexit…

    ===========================

    To quote Homer Simpson: "D'oh!"

    How could I possibly have forgotten about Brexit?!

     

    Yes, scrub what I posted above.

    Traynor must be pleased: just sit back and watch absolutely nothing happening in the media at the end of the month – except all things Brexit.

    Jammy or what…! angel

     

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  20. The Brexit situation will undoubtedly affect the business of football , it's hardly immune from reality after all. The global financial situation isn't stable at the moment , the people are already on the streets of Paris and Honk Kong every weekend , Trump is imposing tariffs that will damage trade and our Central banks are toying with the idea of introducing negative interest rates to encourage (force) people to spend to boost economies.If you ever needed proof of how crazy our financial system has become then it's the introduction of negative interest rates. A further collapse of Sterling will do nothing to persuade overseas players to come here or to keep the ones we have , a collapsing economy will damage the over indebted business' first , loans will be called in and assets sold off to keep the wolf from the door . So far from covering up the situation at Ibrox , Brexit  may just be the tipping point for any club that isn't in the best of health . I often speak out (on other forums) how the financial system is a sham , how it has a shelf life and its total collapse is guaranteed . It is not Brexit that has caused this but the greed of bankers over many decades . I promise you one thing it will be Brexit (and those who voted for it) that gets the blame , it has been set up to be the Craig Whyte in this Game of Thrones.

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  21. 'StevieBC 8th October 2019 at 11:30

    Mibbees an 'unnamed billionaire' – possibly from China – will be desperate to buy the Ibrox club?'

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    Shirley, after last week's announcement by Stewart Robertson about the link-up between TRFC & Bengaluru FC, it'll be a 'Bangalore Billionaire'? Alliteration & everything!

     

     

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  22. Timtim@14.53

    As you have alluded to political and economic changes inevitably affect the football business as well. If a “Brexit “ is ever achieved then surely one of the many things to change would be the Bosnian rule or would the governing bodies insist it stays. I’m thinking particularly of the sale of John Collins to Monaco.

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  23. Ex Ludo @15.33

    I presume you mean Bosman rather than Bosnian  but yes (to quote the notorious war criminal Donald Rumsfeld)  because as we knowthere are known knowns; there are things we know we knowWe also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.

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  24. Timtim, do you happen to moonlight on RT as Max Keiser? 

    I think we should be told. 

     

    [The excellent, global finance critic of 'The Keiser Report' weekly TV programme on RT – also shown on YouTube.]

     

    Totally agree though: as a qualified accountant I lost all trust in the financial services sector in recent years, and was disgusted with the huge fines readily paid by the big banks – whilst they were allowed to simultaneously "deny any criminal wrongdoing". 

    It's just another business cost and no deterrent to curbing dodgy banking behaviours in the future.
     

    And we all know that it's just a matter of time until the next crash…and don't get me started on Facebook's latest wheeze for LIBRA cryptocurrency… smiley

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  25. I don't quite understand the John Collins/AS Monaco reference.

    Monaco already has a work-permit system in place for non-Monagasque workers which seems to operate outside the EU's 'free movement' principles:

    http://www.monaco-consulate.com/?page_id=868

    In addition, AS Monaco actually train in France (La Turbie/Villefranche), which could complicate matters further for a non-EU player.

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  26. Timtim 8th October 2019 at 12:33
    As you can see this media lark really is a piece of pish , if Jim is looking in I am available if the price is right .
    ……………..
    StevieBC 8th October 2019 at 13:03
    Traynor must be pleased: just sit back and watch absolutely nothing happening in the media at the end of the month – except all things Brexit.
    ……………….
    Brexit will be signed on a four year contract and will partner morelos up front. accounts? what accounts. champions league here we come.
    This media lark really is a piece of pish.

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  27. @StevieBC 16;08

    Although Max and myself have never been seen in the same room I can assure you we are not one and the same person. I'm not sure what his opinion on cryptocurrencies is whether Libra or any of the other 2957 alternative coins out there but I for one am extremely suspicious of all of them . A one World currency in digital form backed by nothing and created by solving a sum nobody needs the answer to is perfect for the globalists to replace the $ and other Fiat currencies when the world loses faith in them. We could create our own cryptocurrency here on SFM , every time EJ  solves the Sudoku puzzle in the Daily Express JC can issue one Bampotti which can be traded on the same platform as RIFC shares , as long as at least 2 people believe there is some value to them then they can exist as a tradeable commodity . 

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  28. Brexit could well mean that players from EU and EEA countries would be subject to the same visa and work permit rules that currently apply to players from outside the EU.
    There was an article in The Guardian in the run-up to the 31 March 2019 Brexit deadline saying that the biggest likely impact would be on clubs like Chelsea and Manchester City which have, in recent years, signed huge numbers of youth players from all over Europe. The vast majority of these players never get anywhere near the first team at these clubs. Often they find themselves out on loan either in other countries or the English lower leagues.
    Youngsters in the 16-19 age bracket would almost certainly not qualify for a visa or work permit to come to clubs like these if anything like the current rules for non-EU/EEA nationals were to be applied.

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  29. easyJambo 7th October 2019 at 17:18 6 3 Rate This dom16 7th October 2019 at 16: ========================= If I can summarise in a few paragraphs, 

     

    thanks for the reply EJ

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  30. I saw this tweet today @jdmccoby which fit some reason reminded me of Scottish Football 

    TRUMP: they’re saying I did a murder

    GOP: he didn’t do it!

    TRUMP: I did the murder

    GOP: i’m sure it was an accident

    TRUMP: I did it on purpose

    GOP: sometimes murder is ok?

    TRUMP: I’m doing more murders

    GOP: clearly murder is good

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  31. The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT been talked about.

    "My ‘stuff’ is constantly derided by bitter old pensioners on SFM with too much time on their arthritic hands. It is the go to site for those who think they are the smartest men in the room, only to find that said room is in the sealed off basement of a library. It gives me hours of pleasure to keep these bitter little men in the dark as often as possible."

    Constantly derided? from what I've seen ,you barely get a mention but if you get hours of pleasure from this site could I ask you to make a small contribution to its upkeep the details for which can be found on the main page lest you be seen as one of those "freeloaders" you so despise.  Yours sincerely a Bitter Arthritic Pensioner 

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  32. Timtim 8th October 2019 at 21:32
    Constantly derided? from what I’ve seen ,you barely get a mention.
    ……………
    I thought Bogs Dollox 7th October 2019 at 20:44
    Had already got his point across in his post and had left the building.

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  33. Timtim 8th October 2019 at 21:32

    The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT been talked about.

    "My ‘stuff’ is constantly derided by bitter old pensioners on SFM with too much time on their arthritic hands…"

    ============

    Haha, nice one!

    That chap is morphing into that David Leggat of years gone by, which is a pity as initially his site had some promise.

    But I don't bother with it anymore: I called it out a while back  for a brazen, plagiarized article / lifted verbatim, about Tony Blair.

    And there is an ongoing fishing exercise which is highly dubious and confirms to me that the site lacks reliable sources and adds little value.

    …and those 'Comments' do have a familiar writing style. indecision

     

    Hey, but it's [still] a relatively free internet, so whatever floats your boat.

     

    I quite enjoy interacting with my fellow pensioners, (even though I'm underage), and I tend to frequently learn something new from the SFM site.

    I know I shouldn't have bitten, because you're right Timtim: that other site normally just doesn't register here at all.

    He must be a frustrated chap: I'll pray for him.

    Mibbees. enlightened

     

     

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  34. Timtim 8th October 2019 at 21:32

    StevieBC 8th October 2019 at 23:00

    Despite neither of you naming the source of your comments I suspect you didn't have to for most on here to know who you are referring to.

    It's true that the "Comments" have a familiar writing style. I'm waiting for accusations that some of the comments are plagiarisms of other comments.

    What caught my eye was the comment about people thinking they were the smartest men in the room. This is no doubt a point worth airing but it's probably not best aired following a piece (forensic many say) which contains the word "our's".

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  35. Timtim@16.01yesterday.

    Yes, I was aiming for Bosman but autocorrect took over and finished the post for me. I also note that you’ve been looking through the Johari window again.

    Jingsojimsie@16.11 yesterday 

    When John Collins was being transferred to Monaco from Celtic Fergus McCann argued that the Bosman rule did not apply since the Principality was outside of the EU. Long story short it was decided that Bosman did apply. Worth a shot imo.

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  36. Backbone to belly account must be needing topped up, see the begging bowl padlock is on again. Amazing how you can read an article which talks about, among many other nonsense pieces of self praise, the low response in comments to an article considered by the author to be of high quality informative rehashed literature, and as if by magic the comments sections springs into life.

    Only one other guy i know can match this dribble:

    Donald Trump perhaps broke a record for aggrandizement on Monday, when he referred to his “great and unmatched wisdom”

     

     

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  37. Another wee reminder to the FCA, which must have one of the worst  correspondence handling units in the UK!

    "To:ceocorrespondence@fca.org.uk

    8 Oct at 22:33

    Dear 'ceocorrespondence@fca.org.uk'

     

    I am beginning to wonder whether Messrs Bailey and Randell have discovered that the FCA does have a problem over the matter of having authorised  the IPO Prospectus issued by Rangers International Football Club plc in 2012, which in my belief  was misleading.

     

    Am I to expect a reply to my most recent email reminder of 26 September?

     

    Yours in some exasperation, "

     

     

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  38. I see that since about half past eleven last night John James has had a visit from the authorities; namely, The Apostropher Royal. This must have been the case as he takes great pains to tell all and sundry that he never sullies his vision by reading any site. This must come with the exception that he reads the comments on his own articles. Twice. The first reading is when he writes them and the second when he moderates them to ensure they contain the required number of stock words and phrases: forensic, unparalled, grasp of the law, financial nous, value for money, peerless, analytical, (cont. Page 94). My personal favourite is "whom" which appears, both in articles and comments, in an abnormal quantity, more often than not in what can only be described as an idiosyncratic manner. I use the word "idiosyncratic". I could also have used "wrong".

    Whatever the mechanics overnight "our's" has become "ours".

    I assume there is a tariff somewhere narrating the fee for this service to the public, to the devotees, to literature, to the greater understanding of life and to lesser unworthy mortals.

    If only our aged arthritic hands allowed us to open our pension-stuffed wallets we could entreat the smartest man in the, or any or every, room to accept our humble devotional offerings and be allowed to sit at his feet and receive his words of wisdom.

    For it is writ:

    Only by the separation of belly and backbone can you depart from the Valley of Bitterness.

    Ask not for who the bell tolls.

    For once it should be whom.

     

     

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  39. Don't think it's been mentioned here yet [?] but the SFA has announced a major sponsorship deal with BT.

     

    It's a multi-year deal, with the partnership being linked to all levels of the Scottish football set up.

     

    However, it was a relatively low key announcement based on the limited media coverage.  It looks like the SFA issued a press statement which the papers have pretty much copied/pasted, with no additional, editorial comment.

     

    Strange considering we are all aware of the difficulties both the SFA and the SPFL have encountered in recent years WRT attracting any new sponsors.

     

    But, there is a but.

    No mention of money.

    Nothing I can see in the papers and nothing quoted on the SFA website either.

    Hmmm…

     

    The SRU scored a reported £20M deal with BT for 4 years from 2014 to 2017 inclusive – followed by a 3 year extension through to next year.

    [So, before any extension uplift, that's a £5M p.a. sponsorship deal.]

     

    Why is the SFA not loudly trumpeting this major BT deal?

    What are the headline numbers?

    …did the SFA get a good deal – for Scottish football?

     

    When the incompetence of the SFA blazers has shone through numerous times over the years…

    why would anyone trust them to negotiate a good deal…for anything?

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  40. 'Ex Ludo 9th October 2019 at 00:11

    Jingsojimsie@16.11 yesterday 

    When John Collins was being transferred to Monaco from Celtic Fergus McCann argued that the Bosman rule did not apply since the Principality was outside of the EU. Long story short it was decided that Bosman did apply. Worth a shot imo.'

    ##################

    Thank you. I wasn't aware of that.

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  41. StevieBC 9th October 2019 at 14:19
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    Don’t think it’s been mentioned here yet [?] but the SFA has announced a major sponsorship deal with BT.
    …………………….
    Very low key and not much detail.
    ……
    More details about the broader ambitions of the partnership will be revealed in the coming months and is part of a wider new BT brand and sponsorship strategy, to champion every home nation.
    Ian Maxwell, Scottish FA Chief Executive:(Yes he is still alive and can speak) “We look forward to a successful and enduring partnership with BT

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  42. Two married women (footballers wives)fall out over Instagram posts. The Today programme on Radio 4 then spend a chunk of their airtime discussing said tiff. This is followed by a trailer for Melvyn Bragg’s programme in which he would be discussing the impact of Jean Jacques Rousseau on education. I would respectfully suggest that the Today programme could benefit from some education as to what is important and what belongs in programmes hosted by Philip Schofield and Holly Willoughby. 

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  43. ClusterOne @20.40 yesterday 

    I dare say BT will not be pleased with the prospect of the Scotland rugby team being blown back home because of the knock on effect of a typhoon. The BBC of course lead this piece on News24 with the news that England have already qualified but it’s a big shame for the fans that their match on Saturday definitely won’t go ahead. Maybe summer rugby is the answer? Apologies for the rugby post. Anyone going to watch the game in Russia tonight?

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  44. StevieBC 9th October 2019 at 14:19

    Why is the SFA not loudly trumpeting this major BT deal?
    What are the headline numbers?

    An ADSL filter and a broken Trimphone.

     

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  45. As news is a bit thin on the ground it may be an opportune moment to discuss what changes could be made to the game to enhance it . The pass back rule being introduced has definitely created a more positive spectacle on the pitch . One aspect of the game that has always annoyed me is the throw in or as my fellow pensioners on here will refer to it "the shy". If you watch and take note then the result of throw ins seems to be that possession invariably ends up with the opposition after a couple of touches so is rarely an advantage. I have also found it strange that a game of FOOTball would outwith the keeper involve hands. My own solution would be the pass in , where the ball would be passed back into play but couldn't rise above waist high level . I'm not all that keen on the offside law either ,what purpose does it serve ? would its abolition lead to a more attacking game or a more defensive one. I seem to remember a 30 yard experiment for offside in the Dryborough Cup back in the 70s which led to more goals , maybe Scottish football could lead the way once again with experimentation perhaps in the Petrofac/Challenge Cup. After all we have nothing to lose .

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  46. Timtim,

    When the offside rule was first introduced, the number of goals was drastically reduced. In perspective though, not by as much as when nets were added.

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  47. Goals were reduced when nets were added? I thought the famous 36-0 record score game stated that it could have been more if nets had been used as time was wasted retrieving the ball. 

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  48. Stevo: a trimphone… at Hampden?!

    Don't think so.

    I'm sure the blazers brought their black bakelite phones with them from Park Gardens.  indecision

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    Ex Ludo 10th October 2019 at 12:26

    Anyone going to watch the game in Russia tonight?

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    Naw.

    I'll be trimming my toe nails instead.  enlightened

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  49. Steviebc 9th october 2019 at 14:19

    why is the sfa not loudly trumpeting this major bt deal?
    what are the headline numbers?

    —————————————

    But, but, but they've sent telexes to all the relevant press outlets!

    On improving football, (and rugby for that matter), I would like to see games played over two 30 minute halves. However, whenever the ball goes out of play, the clock is stopped. Free kicks, throw ins, corners goal kicks etc. and line outs, scrums etc at rugby. Stop the clock when the ref blows for the offence, then restart when the ball re-enters play/becomes live. Would cut out 90% of the advantage of time-wasting/running down the clock.

     

    That and playing outdoor sports in the summer of course;-) 

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  50. I would like to see the introduction of microphoned refs as in rugby, for the 2 obvious benefits;

     

    – to stop footy players trying to intimidate the ref by shouting abuse at them

    &

    – for the ref to explain in real time to the crowd – i.e. the paying customers in attendance – any significant, confusing or unclear decision.

     

    …you know…to improve the Customer Experience… indecision

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  51. Timtim 10th October 2019 at 13:18
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    As news is a bit thin on the ground it may be an opportune moment to discuss what changes could be made to the game to enhance it.
    …………………
    Better Refs.

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  52. One way to improve the spectator experience at a match would be if the Ref wore a radio (or something similar) watch that transmitted the running and the stopped times to big clocks on the screens. Everyone could then see the length of time of  stoppages. There would be no need for so called "time added on" and would help to curtail time wasting.

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  53. A curious article has appeared across the SMSM.

    Basically, it's Kenny Miller bad mouthing TRFC.

    Strange coming from him – and even more strange that it has actually been reported.

    Below is the DR headline and direct quotes from Miller;

     

    "Kenny Miller details 'unforgivable' Rangers actions that led to his 'disgusting' exit

    "Unforgivable actions by people."

    "People at the football club wanted to make scapegoats of people to mask their own deficiencies and Lee [Wallace] and I were hung out to dry."

    "I still love the place, but there are people within it who, for me, are not the right people."

    …"

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    It's not as though his current club Partick Thistle is about to play TRFC, and it's an attempt at mind games.

    So, why speak up publicly now?

     

    Has Level42 been instructed to start briefing against a certain individual(s) ?

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  54. Big Pink 11th October 2019 at 08:30

    It's possible some are numbed by last night's "performance".

    It's also possible that some are numbed by how the International Break is being used down Govan way.

    Seemingly there is a game; Rangers Legends v Liverpool Legends, tomorrow at Ibrox and a Charity Gala Dinner tonight.

    More than half the Rangers Legends squad are EBT beneficiaries so hopefully Hector gets at least 45 minutes on the park.

    More worryingly the organisers are the Rangers Charity Foundation who organised the charity game against AC Milan which ended up with the proceeds going to The Rangers and Duff and Phelps. That game ended up in front of the Scottish Charity Regulator which decided it stank to high hell but it was all Craig Whyte's fault (even though he had nothing to do with it) so carry on regardless.

    Some Liverpool Foundation is supposed to benefit, presumably for charitable purposes, but I wonder if it has been drawn to their attention that whereas the word "charity" is all over the Gala Dinner it is studiously avoided when referring to the game tomorrow.

    A quick phone call to the Rangers Charity Foundation would confirm if Liverpool charitable purposes are getting nothing from the game itself. The same phone call could confirm if Liverpool charities can expect the same benefit that AC Milan got; nil.

    A simpler solution might be to target people who should have most disposable income. This would include people who haven't paid tax on a big whack of their income. A bucket should be waved in front of EBT Legends such as Alex Rae, Nacho Novo, Kris Boyd and the other dozen of their ilk who have the gall to go anywhere near a charitable event without blushing.

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  55. Big Pink 11th October 2019 at 08:30

    I assume everyone is numbed a bit by the National team’s “performance” last night. So predictable it’s boring.

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    In a word, yes.

    Didn't watch, but saw the goals, [second goal was superb, to be fair].

     

    And Steve Clarke's hopes that Scotland has now reached rock bottom might be a tad premature.

     

    In the FIFA rankings, Scotland sits currently at No.52

    Bottom of the list is/are The Cook Islands at No.211

    …so plenty of scope for further 'bottoming out'. wink

     

    And for perspective: as recently as December 2007 Scotland was ranked as high as No.14, [albeit very briefly].

    12 years later Scotland has dropped 38 places.

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  56. 'StevieBC 11th October 2019 at 09:23

    A curious article has appeared across the SMSM.

    Basically, it's Kenny Miller bad mouthing TRFC…'

    ################################

    I've read the content in two newspapers. I've not heard the podcast.

    As usual, the headlines promise much, but the article fails to deliver.

    To misquote Shakespeare, 'Kenny Miller doth protest too much, methinks'.

    A senior professional at a dysfunctional football club appears to have been consumed by petty jealousies & his own importance. He thought he was'bigger' (or 'better') than the manager. He was wrong & his ego didn't allow him to accept this & modify his behaviour. He should have put his head down & worked harder to prove the manager wrong. He didn't/couldn't/wouldn't do that.

    It was his attitude that finished his TRFC career. The club was just looking for an excuse… 

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  57. On 16 September 2019, the Takeover Panel Hearings Committee (the Committee) considered disciplinary proceedings brought by the Executive of the Takeover Panel (the Executive) regarding a breach by Mr King of the obligation to announce a mandatory offer under Rule 9 of the Code and other related contraventions of the Code. 

    The Committee declared, in accordance with section 11(b)(v) of the Introduction to the Takeover Code, that Mr King is a person who in its opinion is not likely to comply with the Code and should be cold-shouldered. This sanction and subsequent ‘cold-shouldering’ will apply for 4 years from the date of the ruling (2 October 2019). 

    I think the proverbial has just hit the fan , this has to have major consequences

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  58. So it seems like Alan Brazil was correct about big problems for "Rangers* owner" and all the recent squirrels now begin to make sense. @Stevie BC 9.23 was prophetic by suggesting that Level 42 (5) was briefing against someone with the Miller allegations. This means (at the least) King can no longer give guarantees to cover any shortfalls in the soon to be released accounts . It means that his fellow board members have to throw him under the bus lest they become infected . What does King do now? Does he have enough shares to block the board , does he play for time , can he appeal . The best point is the bampots have been proved right once again , they said he was poison and he is. 

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  59. Jingso.Jimsie 11th October 2019 at 10:41

    We might be crap and clueless and hard to watch , but I don't think the Mighty Jags have hit the heights of disfunctionality yet ! (Could be describing the national team there , and I go watch them as well . Maybe it's me to blame !).

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  60. tt @ 11.55 11 Oct

    Well found tt – v.interesting – you couldn't accuse the takeover panel of rushing into a hasty decision but interesting to see what results from this .

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  61. Timtim 11th October 2019 at 11:55

    https://www.fca.org.uk/publications/corporate-documents/statement-takeover-panel-cold-shouldering-david-cunningham-king

    Oooops 

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    Probably around two years to late and as a result will be ineffective.

    The TOP has failed to protect the interests of ALL shareholders by allowing the share issue in September 2018 to gerrymander a positive result for King when he finally made his offer in February 2019.

    The conclusions in paragraphs 84 and 85 are wrong, as the level of acceptances in the February 2019 offer makes it clear that the offer, had it been made in the time frame as originally demanded by the TOP, and before the targeted share offer the previous September, then it would have become unconditional. Those who wanted to sell were effectively prevented from doing so by King's failure to comply timeously with the Takeover Code.

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