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    Auldheid 5th November 2019 at 00:30

    '..It is a thought……'

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    Well, of course, Auldheid, if a successful criminal (or even civil) prosecution were to be brought against the SFA, RFC (IL) and (perhaps) UEFA itself , there might well be damages/restitution to be made to the victims of any alleged conspiracy to defraud.

    And expenses/costs of bringing that case awarded to the party bringing the suit,  the Res12 people!

    As you say, it's a thought , and one that sends me bed quite cheerful!

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    In Whose Interests
    Big Pink 12th November 2019 at 07:30

    '..The Res12 fiasco, SIX years of kicking things into the long grass, is proof enough for me that our sport is corrupted terminally.'

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    As I understand it, BP, there are a number of quite separate elements in the allegations of corruption made against our Football Governance bodies and some of our clubs.

    There is the allegation that RFC of 1872 lied to the Licensing Committee of the SFA about their tax indebtedness as at 31 March 2011;

    there is the allegation that the Licensing Committee either colluded in that lie or, through carelessness and incompetence, simply accepted what RFC of 1872 told them , and passed that on to UEFA without any check as to its truthfulness and accuracy. The result of that was that RFC of 1872 was awarded a UEFA Competitions Licence to which, under the strict rules, they were not entitled.

    The  SFA has thus far refused to open up an independent investigation into all that was involved in the application made for that licence.

    That refusal raised and continues to raise suspicions that the SFA has something to hide. [ RFC of 1872 is in Liquidation, and TRFC are quite a different legal entity so are not involved and can legitimately say 'nothing to do with us, Squire!'.. except, of course that some of the personnel involved in TRFC were also involved with RFC of 1872…at the material time.

    As a football matter, until there is a full, independent investigation into the Licence matter, then the SFA is under a cloud of suspicion, and so are the then members of the Licensing Committee. 

    And as a football matter, the resistance by Celtic FC to the request that they insist on a full independent investigation being carried out within the football context  is indicative of an unwillingness , rather than an inability, to do so. And that puts Celtic FC under suspicion of underhand complicity in a dirty football cheating arrangement.

    And since no other club has raised any hue and cry about dirty work at the footballing crossroads [and the late Turnbull Hutton must have been sickened at their supine rolling-over], they all are under suspicion of consenting to dirty deeds destructive of the very essence of what their businesses are predicated upon being done in their name.

    Taking the matter out of the football context and into the world of corporate business, there is the allegation that the Sports Governance body may knowingly and with deliberation colluded in fraud to obtain money by falsely representing to UEFA on behalf of a member club (RFC of 1872) that that club was entitled to a Licence to participate in a competition the mere participation in which would guarantee a financial gain for that club of  £xM, with the possibility of £x+M more if the club achieved any kind of sporting success in the competition.

    The consequence of any such alleged false representation was that the properly entitled club was denied such a Licence, and therefore was, in effect, cheated out of at least £xM.

    Since that properly entitled club is a PLC, the Board of that club are required, required, by law to protect the interests of its shareholders.

    It is not for the Board of Celtic plc to decide that the loss, in circumstances where there are prima facie grounds for suspecting that there may have been fraud and deceit [or even incompetence] involving some millions of pounds, should not be investigated.

    It is not for the Celtic Board to try to kick a shareholders' requisitioned resolution at an AGM into touch indefinitely without explanation, debate, and a vote.

    It is failure by the Celtic Board to give adequate and justified and sufficient reasons as to why they have not insisted on such investigation that arouses suspicion in the mind of shareholders ,to whom they are accountable, that they too have something to hide.

    This whole UEFA licence matter cannot be dismissed and corrected and put right until full investigation of the allegations is made, resulting in a proper assessment as to the truth or otherwise of the allegations.

    The other allegation of corruption , namely that a huge lie was manufactured to try to have a brand new club regarded as being one and the same as the RFC of 1872 , and as being entitled to the sporting achievements of that failed club which currently exists as a liquidated football club, can be fixed almost overnight!

     

    All the SFA has to do is renounce that part of a very dubious, highly secretive (and possibly illegal in itself) binding agreement under which it exceeded its legitimate Governance powers by awarding sporting honours and entitlements to a club that had not existed long enough to earn any one of them on the sports field.!

     

    In doing so the SFA Board made a farcical mockery of the very idea of sporting competition and of their role as guardians of the Sport.

     

    Let the SFA state publicly and with suitable apology that they gravely erred in so doing, and that the record books of the SFA (and the SPFL in consequence) will show that the Liquidated RFC ceased to be able to add to their impressive list of such honours and titles on the day they died as a football club.

    Doing that will not, of course, save anyone from possible criminal investigation in relation to the Res 12 matter if that matter has to be referred to Police Scotland, but it would enable some kind of return to sane and proper and honest sports governance.

     

    I will add one other remark. I have been posting for seven years or thereabouts about the cheating RFC of SDM and CW, and of the (what I believe to have been ) underlying dishonesty of the RIFC IPO prospectus and the blindness of the SMSM.

    I would be some kind of hypocritical liar if I were to attempt to excuse or turn a blind eye to the possibility that the Celtic Board have questions to answer.

    I think they do have questions to answer, but have shown a marked reluctance to do so.

    And, as both a shareholder and supporter, I object to that.


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    Corrupt official 12th November 2019 at 04:31 

    ',,,   In law, that was also registered into Sevco "ownership", after a long unexplained delay.   '

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    I posted about this some time ago, expressing the view that Sport Scotland  seemed suddenly to realise that the legal entity to which they had given a good few quid of our money had ceased to exist except as an entity in liquidation, and therefore that thee was  no legal obligation on TRFC Ltd to pay any heed to the conditions that had been imposed.

    Hence we had that very late transfer of the 'RFC of 1872' obligations to TRFC Ltd.

    SportScotland showed themselves up as being suckers ( or succulent lamb eaters) in thrall to the 'establishment club' who for about two years had swallowed the SFA/TRFC lie that SevcoScotland?TRFC was the RFC of 1872 which had received the money.

    Some dozy people are damned lucky not to have lost their jobs over that episode, in my opinion, whether for turning a blind eye or for downright incompetence.

     


    In Whose Interests
    paraniodbyexperience 11th November 2019 at 15:53

    '..why the Celtic board would be involved in this. '

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    Why else but to help sustain the lie that there is still a marketable 'old firm' comprising two old clubs who made their money by cashing in on politico/religious sectarianism in spite of the fact that it is recognised in the 'recordal'  SevcoScotland/TRFC is NOT the Rangers of 1872 

    Greed has caused CFC plc to sell its soul without a blush , pretty much as the SFA/SPFL sold the soul of Scottish Football integrity to a miserable wretch.

    Brother Walfrid will be turning in his grave

     

     


    Recent Comments by John Clark

    Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond
    To wander a little OT, can I remark that one can live to quite an auld age and still be surprised by daft wee things. 

    Take the expression 'sod's law'. I suppose we have all used it a million times, without giving it any thought. 

    I certainly never thought for a minute that there was an actual Sod's Law. Would you believe I saw it referred to in lengthy Sheriff Court judgment of fairly recent date? I give you the very words used by the Sheriff:

    "[10] It is also important to acknowledge that, as often occurs in unusual or unique 
    circumstances, Sod’s Law contributed to the progress of events and the worst possible 
    outcome…."mail

    ( absolutely for laughs, and perhaps lots of Sheriffs and High Court judges have used it in judgments where a whole lot of things go amiss: and nothing at all to do with those sometimes referred to as 's.ds' in the Saga)

    The quote is from a very lengthy judgment in a bankruptcy/sequestration in which all kinds of parties were at cross purposes, with a hint of possible criminality and more than a hint of really shoddy and careless legal work. It runs to 181 paragraphs over 51 pages!

    https://www.bailii.org/scot/cases/ScotSC/2019/2019SC83.html

     

     


    Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond
    shug 15th December 2019 at 13:55

    '..After reading the above I stumbled on this..'

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    From reddit

    Scotland to use Rangers’ Hummel Training Centre as the base for Euro 2020 if they qualify from euro_2020

    "It’s understood the previous Scotland coaching staff chose Rangers’ training center rather than Oriam.

    It means Scotland won’t even train at their own multi-million-pound training center if they reach their first tournament in 22 years.

    To do that, they must beat Israel at Hampden on March 26, then win the play-off Final away to either Norway or Serbia four days later.

    Ironically, it was former Rangers flop Libor Sionko, now the Czech’s team manager, who revealed the information when he confirmed their preparatory plans for the Finals where they will play two games in Scotland.

    Sionko said: “We went to Scotland twice to look at everything and we had three choices – Rangers, Stirling or Edinburgh.

    “I know Rangers well because of my time in Scotland.

    “But the Rangers Training Centre has already been booked by the Scottish national team and Oriam suited us best as an alternative."

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    Thank you, shug.

    case proved, in spades: anything to slide a few bob to a financially straitened, struggling new club, to which, some people allege, they may already have slid some millions.

    They are incorrigible and unrepentant in their deceitful wickedness. 

     

     

     


    Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond
    Jingso.Jimsie 15th December 2019 at 11:28

    '..Still, the SFA will be all over that, won't they?'

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    I appreciate the irony, Jingo.jimsie. broken heart

    I would add that I am ready to believe that men so faithless and unprincipled probably now enjoy being metaphorically shafted by TRFC/RIFC plc, and regard it as a privilege worth selling their rotten souls for, and cannot wait for the next opportunity to be of service.

    And there is a filthy rottenness at the heart of a sports governance body that propagates sporting untruths that destroy the very notion of a sports ethic, based on honest competition and recognition that sporting honours have to be won on the field of play, not assigned in a mucky wee  secret 'legal' agreement made among themselves by grubby , greedy, fearful , and dishonourable men..


    Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond
    Jingso.Jimsie 13th December 2019 at 16:30

    '…If he was offered a suitable job elsewhere, he'd be offski. His contract to 2024 wouldn't matter a jot to him……….TRFC thinks it's a smart & necessary move to protect their investment in Gerrard at this juncture.'

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    There would seem to be a certain mistrustfulness in the minds of folk who try to make money out of a sporting untruth. 

    After all, if one is oneself a liar, one naturally suspects that others may  be liars too.

    And a little circle of paranoid distrust develops, behind the outward show of bonhomie and expressions of shirt-kissing loyalty etc etc. 

    Can your Chairman be trusted? Can your Manager be trusted? if the short answer is 'no' then one is obliged to look after one's own basic interests: get as much out of any walking away from contracts as one can.

    Smile, smile, and be a villain. In Scottish Football, as much as in Politics.

     

     


    Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond
    StevieBC 13th December 2019 at 19:14

    '..Lugosi, that awful joke deserves a straight red!  broken heart..'

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    Oh, I dunno, StevieBC. I'd put it on a par with the 'nine past Haffey' joke doing the rounds in 1961!broken heart