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    Comment on Does Money Indeed Ruin Football? by easyJambo.

    Just for context, a list of EPL arrests for pitch incursions, over the last 5 completed seasons.

    I think that points deductions for at least the top five might encourage some idiots to stop and think again.

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    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    paddy malarkey 11th March 2019 at 15:45

    Can anybody point me to he sanctions taken against clubs whose fans have entered the field of play this season ,or statements of condemnation from politicians of the clubs/fans ? Struggling to find much.

    paddy malarkey 11th March 2019 at 18:33

    easyJambo 11th March 2019 at 16:05

    Cheers , EJ , but  I omitted to put "Scottish" in the post .

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    The answer to your original question is none, in respect of this season.

    The answer in respect of the last 10 seasons is one, Motherwell following the play-off game against Rangers at Fir Park in 2015 when they were put on probation for 18 months after security failures.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47529229

    https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/motherwell/motherwell-breached-rules-during-rangers-play-off-clash-1-4024144

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    The ironic thing about the Strict Liability discussion is that the SFA and SPFL already adopt Strict Liability.

    They do so for clubs who breach their rules on player registrations and eligibility (barring one infamous decision published in 2013). Just ask Clyde or Hearts for their experiences this season, or multiple clubs who have been thrown out of competitions in the past.

    It is only SFA/SPFL rules on unacceptable conduct that need to be put in place.

     


    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    John Clark 11th March 2019 at 20:36

    Meantime, the Liquidation process of the Rangers Football Club of my grandfather's era (that is, of 1872 vintage), the football club of the four young men on Glasgow Green, continues on its inevitable ending in 'dissolution'. 

    There is some piece of routine action in Court tomorrow notified as a further  'unstarred' motion 

    "..P115/17 Note: RFC 2012 Plc for Orders under Para 75"  before Lord Doherty.

    No appearance of Counsel required, so there is nothing to be argued about, merely some judicial rubber-stamping of some procedural arrangement.  ( Who knows, though: perhaps Henderson and Jones reached an agreed settlement, with BDO happy to avoid a court battle?)

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    That case is BDO's action against the administrators (competence/negligence).

    The case no. for the H&J action is P997/17


    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    paddy malarkey 11th March 2019 at 18:33

    easyJambo 11th March 2019 at 16:05

    Cheers , EJ , but  I omitted to put "Scottish" in the post .

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    It's OK. I wasn't specifically responding to your post, just adding information on the scale of the "individual" fan issue to the general debate on strict liability.


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    Accountability via Transparency.
    theredpill 22nd May 2019 at 11:32

    Some sites getting excited about this so I am posting to get the experts advice

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08142409

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    It's nothing to get excited about. The £3 million 2017 settlement agreement between TRFC and SDI sealed its demise.

    This is an extract from RRL's 2017 accounts:

    Going concern

    The company ceased to trade on 20 June 2017. and will remain dormant for the foreseeable future. The directors consider it inappropriate to prepare the financial statements on a going concern basis. Therefore, the directors have prepared these financial statements on a break-up basis as set out under the basis of preparation (note 1.2).

     

    Settlement agreement

    On 21 June 2017 an agreement was reached between the shareholders (being The Rangers Football Club Limited and SDI Retail Services Limited) (and their related parties) and the company in relation to a number of disputes and claims between the parties. This agreement represented full and final settlement and closure of all outstanding claims in existence. These had previously been referred to in the 2016 financial statements.


    Accountability via Transparency.
    John Clark 20th May 2019 at 22:58

    I am curious about the practicalities of 'bona vacantia'

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    I have come across it before and it makes for an interesting personal story.

    I had occasion to look into the term a couple of years ago.  It involved a company called "Heart of Midlothian 2005"  It held 6.5m shares (just over 4%) in Hearts (Heart of Midlothian plc), but had just been dissolved.

    I already knew that HoM 2005 was the company that Romanov had used to acquire control of the club in 2005, although its holding had been diluted in the intervening years by a couple of debt for equity swaps involving Romanov's bank, Ukio Bankas and his holding company UBIG. HoM 2005 also ended up as a subsidiary of UBIG.

    I was curious about what happened to the shares HoM 2005 held in the club, as they hadn’t been accounted for in the documented share transfers at the time of the takeover. I found out that they would now be classed as "Bona Vacantia" and under the control of the "Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer" (QLTR). I actually considered making an offer to the QLTR for the shares, if I could get them at the same price as Ann Budge had paid for the Ukio Bankas and UBIG shares.  It would only have cost around £4,500, which I thought was a good deal to own over 4% of the club.

    With hindsight, I made a mistake shortly afterwards by submitting a question about the status of the shares to the Hearts AGM. A couple of days after the AGM I received confirmation from the club's financial director that the shares were held "bona vacantia" (which I already knew).

    My thoughts of owning a small but not insignificant part of the club were dashed a few weeks later when an unopposed petition was submitted to the Court of Session, on behalf of Ann Budge, seeking ownership of the HoM 2005 shares under the control of the QLTR.  

    I guess that she did have every right to take ownership of them as she had acquired the rest of the UBIG shares as part of the CVA that took the club out of administration. HoM 2005 being a subsidiary of UBIG may well have meant that she should have acquired their shares at the time of the CVA, depending on the terms of the offer made to UBIG. 

    However, when I look back, I wonder if it was me contacting the club that prompted Ann Budge to contact the QLTR in the first place.

     


    Accountability via Transparency.
    Ex Ludo 20th May 2019 at 19:34

    Oops.

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    It's not really "oops". RRL being wound up was part of the deal that saw TRFC hand over £3m to Ashley to get out of the old contract.

    A dispute about the new contract, of which TRFC is allegedly in breach, is still going through the court system.


    Accountability via Transparency.
    There are a raft of shameful statements in Maxwell's response to Bonnyrigg

    “Having checked internally, I can confirm that there is no appeal route available for clubs going through the application process.

    So he didn't know the SFA's own rules on the matter and the absence of an appeal process is a disgrace.

    The Board rejected all applicant club derogations as a matter of policy.

    So why is there an option in the SFA's licensing rules that allows derogation.  Maxwell was present at the same meeting in April at which Petrie said that derogations would be considered. 

    Additionally, in the build up to a new season, leagues and clubs require certainty around their membership to allow proper planning on and off the pitch. Situations where league membership requires to be changed last minute are impractical and must be avoided.

    The SFA have a cheek saying that it is too close to the new season as they were meant to have announced the licensing decisions at their February board meeting, but cancelled that meeting, then delayed the announcement by three months.  Perhaps the SPFL playoffs including the Cove/Berwick play-off tomorrow should be called off as some clubs don't know what league they will be playing in next season.

    I appreciate that the floodlighting criteria was added during your application process. We found ourselves in the unusual position of having 12 clubs apply for membership at roughly the same time and had to consider the impact this influx would have.

    That was nice of Maxwell to acknowledge that the SFA changed the licensing criteria two months after Bonnyrigg and others made their applications.  Unusual that 12 clubs would seek membership?  I thought the SFA's stated aim was to promote community clubs in obtaining licences which demonstrate that they have facilities, infrastructure, coaching and youth set ups aimed at developing the game both at senior and grass-roots levels. Consider the impact of admitting 12 clubs instead of 6? WTF is he on, unless the existing member clubs don't want new clubs admitted as full members.

    One major consideration is the Scottish Cup and we receive consistent feedback from members that postponed/replay fixture dates which, due to a lack of floodlighting, are required to be Saturday afternoons as opposed to midweek evenings are hugely problematic.

    So why allow clubs without floodlights to enter the Scottish Cup in the first place.  Bonnyrigg has already qualified to take part in next season’s competition as EOS champions.  Camelon (another rejected club) has also qualified.  Auchinleck reached the 5th round last reason, beating Ayr in the process. They don't have lights ……. and that was a major problem had Hearts drawn with them at Tynecastle. Is it not beyond the thought processes at Hampden that Auchinleck could have played any midweek games at Rugby Park or Somerset Park, or any other ground with lights?  Just watch for Whitehill being drawn to play Bonnyrigg in next season's competition.

    Please be assured the decision wasn’t taken lightly. We were aware of the implications for your club in particular and I understand the frustration and disappointment you must feel, however the Board must take decisions considering the impact on the Scottish game as a whole, rather than considering individual circumstances. 

    Considering the game as a whole, rather than individual club circumstances? So the SFA finds it easier to express a "can't do" approach rather than a "can do" approach. Typical of blazer and committee led organisations.


    Accountability via Transparency.
    The SFA's (Ian Maxwell) response to Bonnyrigg's latest appeal.

    Reply to direct appeal
    “Having checked internally, I can confirm that there is no appeal route available for clubs going through the application process.

    The Board rejected all applicant club derogations as a matter of policy. All applications must be treated equally with the minimum criteria being met in full rather than the Board subjectively deciding which clubs have met ‘enough’ of the criteria enough to allow approval.

    Additionally, in the build up to a new season, leagues and clubs require certainty around their membership to allow proper planning on and off the pitch. Situations where league membership requires to be changed last minute are impractical and must be avoided.

    I appreciate that the floodlighting criteria was added during your application process. We found ourselves in the unusual position of having 12 clubs apply for membership at roughly the same time and had to consider the impact this influx would have.

    One major consideration is the Scottish Cup and we receive consistent feedback from members that postponed/replay fixture dates which, due to a lack of floodlighting, are required to be Saturday afternoons as opposed to midweek evenings are hugely problematic. Clubs are required to cancel league fixtures, with associated hospitality and match income being severely impacted. We have also had issues – one such this season – which meant that a 5th round tie would have to have been played on a midweek afternoon had it gone to a replay, which would have had a serious impact across a number of areas.

    As you are aware the new Scottish Cup broadcasting contract includes televised fixtures in rounds 1, 2 and 3 which will provide an excellent platform for the lower levels of the game in this country. The BBC have the right to choose matches at variable kick off times, which may well require floodlighting at venues given the time of year, meaning that the number of games available for selection could be severely limited.

    Please be assured the decision wasn’t taken lightly. We were aware of the implications for your club in particular and I understand the frustration and disappointment you must feel, however the Board must take decisions considering the impact on the Scottish game as a whole, rather than considering individual circumstances.

    I appreciate this is not the reply you were hoping for however trust you can appreciate the Boards position.”

    The bit I've highlighted is a shocking admission by the SFA that they don't want significant numbers of new members despite their supposed support of the "pyramid". In simple terms, Rod Petrie lied to them at the meeting in April.

    Needless to say, Bonnyrigg has responded with the following statement.

    Direct appeal to SFA rejected.

    As an update to our statement released last week we received a reply from SFA CEO Ian Maxwell yesterday to our direct appeal and are disappointed but not altogether surprised to reveal that it has also been rejected. (Full reply to direct appeal at the foot of the page). This is despite testimonials sent on our behalf by MSPs, our council and not least the platinum Quality Mark Community Club of which we are an associate who have previously represented the SFA at the Scottish Parliament.
    We have invested upwards of six figures in ground and facility improvements at New Dundas Park over the past four seasons, not counting the work completed and substantial capital purchases made by our two main sponsors (The McDermott Group & Grant Fitzsimmons & Son) as part of their sponsorship. It also doesn't count the labour costs which a lot of the friends of the club have given free gratis. A significant element of that investment was with licensing criteria in mind, for example when we had to make several costly adjustments to our changing rooms in order to meet the criteria.
    This is however not the end of the road for us, as despite the labyrinthine nature of the different articles and licensing documents, there is still one option open to us which we are seeking guidance on from parties outside of the club whether to pursue. We owe it to our players and supporters to explore every available option open to us until each of those options have been exhausted. We sold a vision to our supporters at our EGM last March of what the future would look like if we joined the East of Scotland league after 120 years of Scottish Junior Football membership, but the stark reality at present is that we have swapped one glass ceiling for another.
    In parallel we are pleased to announce that we have received planning consent from Midlothian Council today for our floodlights installation. We agreed several months ago to acquire floodlights from Midlothian Council which were previously used at the old Newbattle High School campus and have concluded that purchase as a result of receiving planning consent today. Work will commence early next week on the installation of these floodlights, which means that we will have to forego some grant funding which we could have availed of had we stuck to our original plans. We feel however that it is imperative we have these in place as soon as is possible. G Fitzsimmons and Son are covering a significant portion of the costs as part of their sponsorship for next season and we are extremely grateful for their continued support of the club. There is still a substantial figure to cover so we are asking our supporters and local businesses, indeed any supporters for their help with this by donating to our funding page that we have set up this evening on this link. We are indebted to our supporters for the response received in our fundraising efforts so far.
    People can draw their own conclusions on the reasons given for our direct appeal rejection but at a very high level:
    – On the subject of the Scottish Cup there are seven clubs with National Club License awards that currently don’t have floodlights. In addition there are several other clubs who will enter the preliminary rounds as winners of other leagues/cups who also don’t have floodlights, based on the current Scottish Cup format. We are one of those having won the East of Scotland League (but we will have lights by then)
    – Still on the Scottish Cup the last time an actual game was held on a midweek afternoon was eight years ago. Also under the current format Scottish Cup replays up to and including round 3 are played the following Saturday.
    – Changes made at short notice to the Licensing system is one of the reasons the derogation procedure exists. We were given an undertaking as recently as April at a meeting of Lowland League & East of Scotland League delegates at Easter Road by the SFA VP that derogation requests would be reviewed and assessed based on the requests submitted; i.e. if there were plans in place to meet the criteria. This is completely contrary to what has actually taken place.
    – The biggest concern for all clubs at our level should be paragraph four, where it appears that the board of our national association have taken proactive steps in order to curtail a membership ‘influx’. This has meant that five clubs along with ourselves were denied membership by the actions of the SFA board. This is despite scope to allow up to 200 members, with only 90 member clubs at present. This is completely at odds with the SFA values and their overarching principle to help develop clubs at all levels.
    We should be celebrating our league title, looking forward to a cup final next Sunday against the Lowland League champions and promotion to that league, wondering along with the rest of the country who the next manager of the men’s national team will be and getting ready to cheer on Shelley Kerr’s side at their first World Cup.
    What we shouldn’t be doing is this – it isn’t right, fair or proper.