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    Comment on Does Money Indeed Ruin Football? by ernie.

    I'm not a fan of the old "why are you arresting me for speeding when there's real criminals to catch?" argument.  SFM'ers, football authorities and society in general are capable of dealing with the bigger Scottish fitba corruption (for want of a better word) and crowd trouble.  It's not an either or and in fact, as has been suggested by Tri, can be easily linked.  Is it a coincidence that the sectarianism and crowd trouble at the fitba has got worse in the last few years?

     

     

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    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    I've found two UK teams, West Ham in 1980 and Villa in 1983, under UEFA rules had to play ties behind closed doors due to crowd trouble in previous round.  Of course English teams were banned from Europe altogether for crowd trouble.  Interesting one, apparently in the 2010-11 Heineken Cup Edinburgh vs Castres oft re-scheduled tie was held behind closed doors to protect the crowd in the prevailing weather conditions.  It takes a lot for the authorities to close it down for one game and, thankfully, there is a range of sanctions long before ground closure. Of course the clubs always have the option to actually do something about sectarianism and crowd trouble in the first place.  Abhorrent as this complicit acceptance is I can see why they don't, it's because there are no repercussions for them.  Why are we accepting this?

     


    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    Strict liability mean the SFA and the clubs can't choose how or if they deal with any sectarian or crowd trouble issues.  At the moment they can, mostly of course they choose to do nothing, why would they?  Occasionally they hand out some token gesture of a punishment and why not?  They choose to have no liability.  I wish I could, imagine the possibilities!

    On the "punishing the innocent" argument I'm sorry but that's disingenuous to say the least.  Firstly, people are diving straight to ground closure when in fact there is a range of sanctions, fines, points deduction etc before a consistent repeat offender gets to ground closure.  The fact is there is no threat of anything at all and that has to stop.  Note also that both UEFA and the EPL (I haven't checked any others) both clearly match the sanctions with the effort made and steps taken by the club in question to deal with the issues.  So a club demonstrably doing their best would not be sanctioned as much as, say, our current lot of shameless hucksters.  That's scary to our clubs, imagine having to demonstrate effort being made.

    Secondly, it's not really punishment is it, except to the club?  Once again we seem to forget that we're talking about a game of fitba here, an entertainment run by some of the participants as a commercial enterprise.  Not getting to go to a game of fitba is not a breach of any human right, being able to stage such an event and charge good money for it is, in fact, a privilege that is being abused.  If there is some resultant hassle re ST holders getting refunds then that's even better, the clubs need to start facing up to their responsibilities and face some consequences otherwise they do nothing.

     


    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    "Therefore the question has to be asked. Who exactly are the like of the Union Bears, the Green Brigade and others appealing to?"

    That's a great question wottpi, to which I think the answer is "other deluded, angry men".  It is possible to  relate this to the rise in populism, fuelled itself by a sense of being abandoned, but it has been going on throughout many cycles of general, public trends.  The problem is that the people who run our clubs and our game have convinced themselves that this is where the money is, or more realistically, to stop this stuff would threaten the income stream.  The immorality of this is bad enough but I happen to believe they are wrong.  It's often paraphrased from WW1 that we are "led by donkeys" but I think "led by dinosaurs" is more apt.  Their time is up though, hence the upsurge, it's a lashing out at the death.

     

     


    Recent Comments by ernie

    Bad Money?
    DBD, this is your lucky day.  Give me a call, I'm just back from Hong Kong and have some genuine, 100%, smells like, looks like etc Rolex, Rayban, Versace and Nike opportunities for you.

     


    Bad Money?
    Edusport. I’m a co-owner having bought a share in 2018. We get to vote on various aspects including player selection (up to a very fine point!) but not the actual team management. The name change was voted by the members. I didn’t vote, happy to be a silent partner ( in a very small way) just to see how it goes. I like the academy approach, for what it’s worth it’s the only way I see Scotland ever competing at a high level country and club. But that’s another discussion! Edit to add, plan has always been SPFL by 2025.


    Accountability via Transparency.
    I agree with the "duopoly" reason for our fitba establishment and the SMSM accommodating the TRFC scams up to a point but I'm also trying hard, whilst reading those wonderful succulent lamb pieces reposted on here from pre 2012, but just can't recall similar articles bemoaning the necessity for competition from Celtic (never mind the Dons etc) during the former Rangers' glory EBT years? Like all with a sense of entitlement they'd be fine with a monopoly, just not the current one.

     


    Accountability via Transparency.
    Good point well made AJ.

    I despair that my own club don't speak out about the whole TRFC entering the league and continuity scams but I also get where the problem lies.  You only have to read the old SMSM stories of succulent lamb highlighted in the last few days on here to gauge the level of hubris and entitlement Scotland's institutions' favoured football club carries with it.  If we think that they see the errors of their ways now that Rangers have gone down the tube and another club prevails then we are ignoring a fundamental of human behaviour: institutional bias, and indeed bigotry, does not get changed by logical thought, rather the inherent hatred and elitism is stoked up by public failure and ridicule.  Hence all the "good as Messi" pish and £10m bids from China.  The SFA and the rest of Scotland's blazers hate what is happening now. The atmosphere is getting toxic and will get worse next season. It will take a brave man to speak out IMO.  

    (I say this as a Dons fan btw and really don't have much truck with Celtic either!  However they appear to have won what they've won based on bigger crowds and Euro money which is galling to the rest of us but that's the way of the world, fair enough.)


    Accountability via Transparency.
    I'd rather see East Kilbride and Cove Rangers (other teams that have worked their way up the system are available) in the SPFL than some reserve team personally.  At the moment the bigger teams hoover up all the talent anyway, giving them SPFL status for their excess squads is just a way to consolidate no one else getting a look in.