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    Comment on Does Money Indeed Ruin Football? by wottpi.

    Caught a wee bit of the radio shortbread phone in this morning re the recent issues regarding misbehaviour at football matches and what should be done.

    What struck me was that a good few people who phoned in said they either didn't or no longer attended football because they were not interested or turned off by the nonsense that goes on.

    In the same way I don't often go to Opera, these folks are part of the larger population that have no interest in an activity that others enjoy. They are getting this nonsense rammed down their throats on news items etc because there is a belief football is in some way important.

    Therefore the question has to be asked. Who exactly are the like of the Union Bears, the Green Brigade and others appealing to?

    There may indeed but some folks who like to sing the songs and spew the bile but a good deal of 'fellow fans' are probably cringing. Others who could be attracted to the game are giving it a miss and doing something they feel is a better use of their time.

    So I suppose my question is what is the point of it all?

     

     

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    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    upthehoops 8th March 2019 at 10:18

    You may have experienced bigotry and that is wholly unacceptable, but that doesn't mean it is all pervasive as you suggest /imply.

    I am not denying there are issues and questions to be asked  but I have Irish ancestry and was brought up a catholic and have had no issues whatsoever in my life.

    In football terms I object to the loyalist/unionist sectarian guff from the dafties at Tynecastle but also do not want to hear the some of the nonsense from Celtic fans when they come to visit.

    49 Championships, 38 Scottish Cups, 18 League Cups, A European Cup and three other Euro finals.

    Not bad for being the oppressed.

    As for the politics angle, in terms of wanting a Catholic UK Prime Minister the recent leading 'Catholic lights' are the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg and Ann Widicombe. Add to that Iain Duncan Smith (ex Tory Party leader)  and Damien Green (currently second in command as First Secretary of State). I wouldn't trust them go for a pint of milk let alone run the country.

    Tony Blair of course converted to Catholicism after being in the top job but who knows what religious zeal drove him to dabbling in the middle-east and co-operating with the hard Christian right of America.

    Tony Gallagher, Editor-in-chief of The Sun (and previously of the Mail) is a catholic. Any evidence of compassionate Catholicism seeping out of those publications?

    In Scotland Jim Murphy is someone who could have perhaps taken a stab at the First Minister but his dismal performance leading the Scottish Labour in the 2015 UK election saw the SNP win 56 of the 59 seats. His Catholicism didn't help negate the fact he was useless.

    I am afraid that many things don't work in the UK and Scotland because too many incompetents get into positions of power and religion bias or persecution is not necessarily a factor.

     

     


    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    upthehoops 7th March 2019 at 17:43

    I may be wrong but I can't recall any major teams being hit with points deductions or getting chucked out of tournaments.

    Small fines are chicken feed for the big guns of Europe who have circa £20m to pay for Morelos.

    It may be painful in the short term but plenty people are keen to tell us how much even a club like Celtic have in the bank. So they would simply shrug off a fine likes the ones that have been given out by Uefa over the years.

    If its not at the level of  hurting a team's performance and progress in leagues and cups, or making a big hit on their pockets then I don't really see the point of SL.

    So I agree. What has gone before doesn't necessarily work but I believe we should go further than that to help clear up the nonsense once and for all.

     

    I also like the idea, I think I heard on the radio, of saying that Scottish fans should be given a warning that SL is there ready and waiting and that for the season before implementation the fans will be under notice. If they behave,  SL stays on the shelf. If not then it comes in.

    The transgressors could then start the new season on -10 points, just for good measure.

     


    Does Money Indeed Ruin Football?
    upthehoops 7th March 2019 at 10:05

    As far as I can see it is the only proposal being spoken about just now.

    The usual statements from King , Lawwell, Budge, Dempster etc etc along with banning a few individuals is all Scottish football has to show by way of addressing the issues.

    The OBFTC Act has been revoked, generally due to pressure from fans and others within football.

    However we still hear the bile from the terraces, the objects and flares are still being thrown, fans enter the field of play etc etc

    Until the authorities, clubs and fans take the matter seriously then its a bit rich getting on a high horse decrying others for trying to seek solutions.


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    Accountability via Transparency.
    Ballyargus 20th May 2019 at 17:30

    When your country calls most people take up the opportunity.

    We have a decent squad of players, a few stand-outs and some decent upcoming prospects.

    Clarke may well be the one to draw them all together and get the working as an efficient team.

    Not sure what T'Rangers have to do with Scotland these days, they are full of foreign ( and some on loan) starters and other than McGregor haven't provided any homegrown talent in the last few squads.

    Can't see the likes of Jack or McCrorie getting a run of 1st team football that would warrant an international call up. Similar story for the new signing of Hastie and Greig Stewart if he goes to Ibrox.


    Accountability via Transparency.
    A wee PS

    The reports I see indicate that Gerrard says 'Rangers have only received ONE offer for Alfredo Morelos during his time at the club'.

    Therefore Slippy G arrived in May 2018 so, to be fair, all the China talk was from January / February 2018.

     

    However there were MSM reports after Gerrard was appointed about bids from many including:-

    Bordeaux

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45203177

    Nice

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/17376709.steven-gerrard-a-bid-of-8m-disrespects-alfredo-morelos-rangers-and-me-hes-going-nowhere/

    Marseille 

    https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/alfredo-morelos-to-marseille-french-side-want-rangers-ace-to-replace-mario-balotelli-1-4914152

    Fenerbache

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/alfredo-morelos-targeted-fenerbahce-turkish-12695946

     


    Accountability via Transparency.
    A wee PS

    The reports I see indicate that Gerrard says 'Rangers have only received ONE offer for Alfredo Morelos during his time at the club'.

    Therefore Slippy G arrived in May 2018 so, to be fair, all the China talk was from January / February 2018.

     

    However there were MSM reports after Gerrard was appointed about bids from many including:-

    Bordeaux

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45203177

    Nice

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/17376709.steven-gerrard-a-bid-of-8m-disrespects-alfredo-morelos-rangers-and-me-hes-going-nowhere/

    Marseille 

    https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/alfredo-morelos-to-marseille-french-side-want-rangers-ace-to-replace-mario-balotelli-1-4914152

    Fenerbache

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/alfredo-morelos-targeted-fenerbahce-turkish-12695946

     

    Usual pish from both the club from Ibrox and the arse licking SMSM

     

     

     


    Accountability via Transparency.
    Big Pink 20th May 2019 at 12:23

    Ex Ludo 20th May 2019 at 15:15

    As discussed the other day Clarke is the best of a very short list.

    However the one thing I believe he has in is favour is that it he comes over as a practical realist and someone who cares about the game, his players and results more than himself. He clearly has no fear in facing down (or bowing down) to the likes of Celtic or T'Rangers as yesterdays wee leaving speech showed.

    If he gets any crap from the SFA or any of the clubs I hope he won't be slow in coming forward and telling them how it is.

     


    Accountability via Transparency.
    I think I heard right on the radio news earlier it looks like the Scotland Job may be down to 

    McInnes, Clarke and Gemmill.

    All could do a job I suppose but it that it?

    For all the talk of Scotland having great coaching courses that the rest of the world admire etc etc etc  we are limited to a choice of 3 people.

     

    Gemmill has no real standing in the managerial game.

    I think McInnes may well stay at Aberdeen

    Clarke has done a good job with Kilmarnock given what he had to work with but for all the praise seen them twice this season come away with 3 points due to late single goal winners at Tynecastle. Well organised in terms of sucking up pressure and hitting on the break but both games ranked pretty ordinary to dire to be honest and a poor Hearts team could have easily won at home as they did down at Killie.

    He may be best of such a limited short list and would be my choice, but  how much of a compliment is that given the lack of options.