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    Comment on Bonkers OCNC Thread by wottpi.

    Old club or new club.

     

    Frankly I no longer care.

     

    I can now add chucking stuff and hitting officials to the point of drawing blood (Fenian or otherwise) to my long list of all the negatives either version has brought to the Scottish game. (Oh and the song book was out again today as far as I could hear).

     

    The knuckle-draggers in their fan base are emboldened by the whole siege mentality lead by a convicted criminal and others in the club who seem to have a problem following the rules the rest of civilised society, business and football have to live by.

     

    Regardless of how they are viewed by others I doubt if they will ever be regarded as being fit for the 21st century.

     

    They have made no attempt to reform or win/regain friends on their recent journey. For that reason, as all our grannies would have said "hell mend them". 

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    Bonkers OCNC Thread
    Old club or new club.

     

    Frankly I no longer don't care.

     

    I can now add chucking stuff and hitting officials to the point of drawing blood (Fenian or otherwise) to my long list of all the negatives either version has brought to the Scottish game. (Oh and the song book was out again today as far as I could hear).

     

    The knuckle-draggers in their fan base are emboldened by the whole siege mentality lead by a convicted criminal and others in the club who seem to have a problem following the rules the rest of civilised society, business and football have to live by.

     

    Regardless of how they are viewed by others I doubt if they will ever be regarded as being fit for the 21st century.

     

    They have made no attempt to reform or win/regain friends on their recent journey. For that reason, as all our grannies would have said "hell mend them". 


    Bonkers OCNC Thread
    Darkbeforedawn 22nd August 2018 at 22:35  

    I did what was expected and put a couple of posts on the Oldco/Newco blog but agree with EJ that it just got into the same circular argument with LM2.

     

    I would however point out (as I did on the other blog) that the Badge and the name 'Rangers' can all be classed as intellectual property that is owned and controlled by the owner/operator. Or indeed, as was the case, can be sold off to another legal entity such as Sports Direct who held ownership of various Rangers IP's for a while a few years back.

    In fact nearly everything that revolves around ‘a club’ can be linked to a legal transaction with the owner/operator.

    I have still to see a definition of a club that manages to describe and totally separate such an entity from the company- owner/operator model that applies to almost all professional football teams. (The one recognised by Uefa BTW)

    Any attempts to define a club get us back into the realms of a metaphysical construct and off we go again.

     

     


    Bonkers OCNC Thread
    TheLawMan2 22nd August 2018 at 18:00

     

    You are sure what the courts says but provide no factual proof.

    The SFA CEO Regan said it was up to fans to decide the status of Rangers/ T'Rangers.

    The SPFL via Doncaster seems to have relied on the ramblings of Lord Nimmo Smith who made a stab at defining a club, but it is clear that he said – 

    “This is not to say that a Club has legal personality, separate from and additional to the legal personality of its owner and operator. We are satisfied that it does not, and Mr McKenzie did not seek to argue otherwise. So a Club cannot, lacking legal personality, enter into a contract by itself.”

    So lets not forget that Uefa  defines clubs as, 

    "A licence applicant may only be a football club, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible for a football team participating in national and international competitions which either: ………………

    I wholly agree with you the waters are well muddied so I am afraid your interpretation seems to hold no more merit that those arguing from the other side.

     


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    In Whose Interests
    Mordecai 12th November 2019 at 13:59

    I think something similar was said on here recently regards the likelihood of Morelos going down south, but perhaps not going into a much detail.

    However while the Morelos situation is interesting, it is going to be nothing compared to the potential issues Brexit may bring in terms of the ability to secure foreign talent.

    In terms of the squads of our 5 largest clubs, Celtic and Hearts would appear to have more EU players on their books currently than others

    I know the situation is somewhat unknown and fluid but I  wonder if any forward planning is being undertaken by Scottish clubs to assess the potential pros and cons of Brexit in terms of taking clubs forward in the years to come.

    As implied some of the smaller clubs may not be affected as they will have more of a home grown squad.

    However a dip into the transfer market for buying a decent youngster or getting one on loan to help bolster a league challenge may not be so easy in the future.


    In Whose Interests
    Allyjambo 12th November 2019 at 09:48

    T'was ever thus.

    A few folk stick their head above the parapet from time to time but there is clearly a significant number within the site readership who cannot handle any criticism directed towards the club from the East End.

    Despite their great dislike for the club from Ibrox and those in the corridors of power at Hampden, they fail to recognise (or should that be 'finger in the ears and shout na-na-nana-na)  that their board and masters do not share their views and are more than happy to have T'Rangers, King and all that goes with him sit alongside them.

    When the largest club in the country is happy to go along with the 'big lie' and accommodating cold shouldered criminals then why should smaller clubs, with more than enough worries on their plate, take up the charge.


    In Whose Interests
    easyJambo 6th November 2019 at 12:51

     

    Interesting stuff to see it in pictorial form.

    So when they got all the way to the Uefa cup final the oldco published figures were showing a turnover of circa £65.5m with a net operating expenses of £57.8m

    The recent figures publish for RIFC plc say turnover was £53.2m and operating expenses at £58.2m.

    They are now maxing out with no signs of where extra income will come from and some unknown liabilities in the pipeline.

    Not a good place to be if a few results go the wrong way.

     


    In Whose Interests
    easyJambo 5th November 2019 at 13:02

    My guess is that the end game is starting.

    As we have discussed previously, despite your continual optimism that someone may have enough sense at Ibrox not to spend every penny they have (and more), each year's accounts show that they cannot help themselves and the unknown unknowns continue to rise. 

    In the next accounts it will be the Ashley settlement and the eye watering wage bill for the recent signings and no doubt followed by their contract renegotiations  once agents want a higher rate for their client given they will all be lauded in the press as £10m plus players come the next two transfer windows.

    I have on countless times gone back to the oldco's accounts to highlight the previous figures and that even with significant income and attempts at multiple cash raising share issues Rangers went to the wall.

    I note the recent Forbes article alludes to the T'Rangers now beginning to max out their income and that the numbers are now similar to oldco 2011.

    The whole thing relies, once again, on winning the league, getting Champions League football and selling players for large profits.

    As Celtic have shown even when you have a clear run at it, you can only get all three now and again.

    The odds on T'Rangers achieving all three in this season or the next are, to my mind, not good.

    The whole thing is a big gamble.

    Once the 'investors' do a Brooks Mileson and pull the plug on funding it will all start falling apart.

    Unless the much hoped for 'Sugar Daddy' knight in shining armour  comes in with a huge buy-out, then the current board cannot keep coughing up these levels of cash for much longer.

     


    In Whose Interests
    I see a lot of chat with regard to what effect the TOP ruling will have on King and T'Rangers.

    My view is not a lot really.

    As discussed a long time back it didn't seem to do the last South African who was cold shouldered any particular harm.

    The main point is that T'Rangers and many of their fans seem quite happy to have someone like Dave King at the helm.

    For a club who keeps droning on about dignity they seem to be content to be run by a set of shysters from Murray, Whyte, Green and now King.

    Hearts fans lapped up some of the Vlad years but quickly realized it was no way to go on.

    Others clubs have had similar experiences with other shysters but, like Hearts, have tried very hard to steer an honest ship since those times.

    One wonders when T'Rangers will join the rest of us in trying to run our clubs and the game with a modicum of honesty, decency and respect.