Beware the angry Shareholders — they might just demand an answer!

Good Evening,

Whilst it is understandable that the continuing events at Ibrox remain a hot topic among all Scottish Football Fans — especially given the views of some sections of the press on such events– the never ending rush down the marble staircase is certainly not the only show in town.

The other morning we were treated to the “scoop” that Alistair Johnstone is afraid that Craig Whyte– the once proclaimed Multi Billionaire from Motherwell- may well still be pulling all the strings at Ibrox! This is a fear which is shared by those who walk the corridors of Hampden Park as they, too, are terrified of the prospect of Whyte returning in some shape or form and coming back to haunt them, especially as he has been deemed unfit and proper, banned sine die, and generally ridiculed for his past actions.

However, the Hampden jackets know fine well that their realm only stretches so far and that if by means of the proper application of company law, contract or some other piece of paper Whyte controls the shareholding of the self proclaimed “parent company” to the football club then they are in a fix. In fact, I will wager that they just would not know how to deal with such a situation as after all RIFC PLC neither holds a licence to play football nor is a member of the SFA and so, on the face of it, who owns it has nothing to do with them.

At this juncture, no one in authority knows who Blue Pitch Holdings are and, strangely, no one in authority knows who Margarita Holdings are either! Yet these two “holdings” whoever they may be, may well hold all the power down Govan way…… with the SFA completely powerless to find out who they are let alone get into any dialogue with them. All the SFA can do is talk to the appointed Directors and officers of The Rangers Football Club Ltd.

This, is a most unsatisfactory state of affairs.

Meanwhile, they will have no difficulty in finding out who the new shareholders of Dunfermline Athletic are. Those shareholders will come from the fanbase and will be clearly registered at Companies House, with the result that ultimately those fans/shareholders will appoint Directors who will then attend meetings and speak and opine on their behalf and in essence be the ” Voice of Dunfermline” at Hampden.

Perhaps, similar will follow from Heart of Midlothian?

However, those at Hampden — if they have any sense at all– will be most wary of events happening in the east end of Glasgow come November.

In the middle of the month, Celtic PLC will hold its AGM and amidst the items on the agenda is the fan driven notion that the Club— through its Directors—- should go further in holding the SFA to account and enquire into the granting of club licences, and in particular how it granted Rangers a club licence that allowed entry to the Champions League in 2011 when the small tax case was outstanding.

The Celtic board have deemed this motion as “Unnecessary” and in support of that contention have released documentation showing that they raised this very issue with the SFA on behalf of the shareholders and fans. Further– and here is the rub— The Directors reveal that they were not satisfied with the SFA response and have disclosed that they took the matter further and wrote to UEFA.

Ultimately, UEFA also provided a reply, which backed the SFA approach and which Celtic had little option but to accept  in the absence of admissible contradicting evidence..

It is on this basis, that Peter Lawell and Co say the AGM motion is not necessary. Note that saying that the motion is not necessary, is not at all the same thing as saying that what the motion seeks to achieve is not necessary or does not have the support of the board!

There will be those at Hampden who severely hope that the Celtic Board are successful in voting this measure down as obviously they deem their original reply sufficient and would like to end the discussion there.

However, my own view, is that whether the motion is successful or not, there are those within the SFA who will recognise there is trouble staring them in the face here. Real Trouble!

Let’s recap for a moment and draw some threads together.

Celtic’s past Chairman, Dr John Reid, said only a couple of years ago that the SFA was clearly not fit for purpose. He did so in the context of events surrounding Neil Lennon and other matters, but was unshakably robust in his condemnation of an institutionalised uselessness which he saw pervaded the Hampden ranks.

Prior to that, Henry McLeish produced a report which stated that he too had concerns about the Governance of Scottish Football and called for openness and transparency.

In the intervening period, we have seen Mr David Longmuir, former Chief Executive of the Scottish Football League, find himelf without a position following reconstruction– and this partly as a result of club chairmen being apparently kept in the dark about his payment, bonuses and expenes. I understand that there was considerable anger from some at the way in which they had been treated by Mr Longmuir.

Then there is Mr Campbell Ogilvie, El Presidente, who himself benefited from a Rangers EBT and who held sway at Ibrox during a period of time when Rangers– by their own admission— made unlawful and illegal payments to three high profile players in breach of tax laws and SFA/SPL rules. It is these breaches and the consequent Wee Tax Bill which has caused all the angst among Celtic fans and has lead to the highly regulated legal step of tabling a motion at the club’s AGM.

Basically, the position seems to be, that as at the due date when the appropriate documents and declarations were made for a Euro Licence by Rangers for 2011, the wee tax bill was outstanding and due. If it was overdue, then the SFA could not and should not have granted them a licence……. and potentially Celtic should then have been put forward as Scotland’s representatives in the Champion’s League.

However, that did not happen, and Ranger’s were granted a licence– something that the Celtic Directors clearly felt was not correct.

They may have disagreed with the awarding of the licence because there were those at Rangers at the time who declared that a payment to account had been made to the tax office– allegedly £500,000– and that they had entered into an agreement to make payment of the balance by instalments. Had that been so, then all would have been hunky dory and no more would have been said.

Alas, however, no such payment appears to have been made at all, and no such agreement was entered into and so, on that basis, the tax bill was overdue and outstanding as at 30th June in terms of Article 66 and as such no Euro Licence should have been granted.

However, the argument does not end there.

Auldheid, has posted frequently on these pages about the ins and outs of the licensing provisions and the mechanism and so I will leave that detail to him as he is far more expert in these areas than me.

Now, one of the SFA functions is to have an auditor– someone who can check books, contracts, paper work and so on, and it is part of the SFA licensing function to be satisfied that all the paperwork is of course correct and in proper fashion before they issue any licence.

In this case, it is alleged that the SFA did not perform their function properly.

In relation to the wee tax case, it is said that either they did not make sufficient enquiry of Rangers re the payment to account or the agreement which they were told was in place. At the time it was mooted in the press that no such agreement was in place as at the relevant date ( June 30th ) and a simple check with the revenue would have shown the truth of the matter.

Yet, for whatever reason, no such check appears to have been made, and if you recall a Radio Scotland interview with Alistair Johnstone, Rangers submitted the forms, the SFA replied with one or two enquiries about the BIG tax case which were answered, and thereafter the Licence appears to have simply dropped through the letter box without further ado.

You will also recall that the existence of the wee tax case became known BEFORE Craig Whyte bought David Murray’s shareholding in May 2011. In fact it was the subject of News Paper headlines weeks before the deal was completed, and so the fact that there was a wee tax bill was well and truly in the public domain.

When it came to filling in the appropriate forms,either, the SFA were mislead by those then at Rangers with regard to that tax bill, OR, they simply failed to do the requisite checks and make reasonable enquiries before they issued the licence.

However, the uncomfortable fact also remains, that one of the chaps who must have been in the know re the admittedly unlawful and offending side letters, contracts and payments to the three players concerned  was Campbell Ogilivie who was on the Rangers Board at the relevant time when the contracts and irregular payments were made under the Discount Options Scheme  from 1999 to 2002/3. Indeed he may even have initiated the first payment to Craig Moore in 1999. I reiterate that no one has ever contested that this was an unlawful scheme, and the irregular payments and paperwork are not denied in relation to that scheme.

There are Celtic shareholders who believe, rightly or wrongly, that when it came to the granting of the Euro Licence, the SFA did not play them fair on this occasion and that the wheels within Hampden were oiled in such a way that Rangers were favoured and Celtic were disadvantaged. It is a point that looks to have already been considered by the Celtic Directors in 2011, with the result that they concluded that they should formally write to the SFA and seek clarification.

However, we now have the prospect of those same directors having to go back to Hampden and say   ” Sorry, but I am forced to bring this up by my shareholders. I have a legal duty to them to enquire further”. Even if the motion is refused, the point has been made– there are shareholders who are demanding answers– just as shareholders of other clubs demand answers about the ever so secret 5 way agreement and other matters which have hitherto been not for public consumption.

The SFA have nothing to fear of course as they can simply repeat their previous answers,demonstrate that all was above board, and rest easy in their beds.

Except that answer did not satisfy the Celtic Directors on a previous occasion as they decided to take the matter to UEFA, and it would appear that some Celtic shareholders remain dissatisfied with the known stance of the SFA and so they want the Directors of the club to delve further. Without wishing to point out the obvious, if it turns out that the 2011 Licensing process was somehow fudged and not conducted rigorously or that those at Hampden were in any way economical with the truth or omitted certain details from the previous explanation, or covered up a failure in procedures—- well such omissions have  a habit of becoming public these days whether that be through the internet or otherwise.

The point here is that the actions of Hampden officials are coming under organised, legal and planned corporate scrutiny over which they have no control. The Blazer and club mentality that was once so widespread within the governing bodies is under increasing attack and is being rendered a thing of the past.

In short, the move by Celtic shareholders, is making it plain that they will demand proper corporate governance from their club in ensuring that any alleged failure in corporate governance by the SFA or SPFL is properly investigated and reported on.

Of course, if it turns out that the 2011 Licensing process was somehow fudged and not conducted properly for whatever reason, then it could be argued that Celtic were disadvantaged in monetary terms along with other clubs who may have been awarded Europa League licences, then the consequences could be cataclysmic. Hence a tendency to circle the wagons rather than admit to failures in the process that need addressing.

It is this reluctance to come out and accept that the licensing process appears to have failed, say at what point the process failed and what needs to be done to address those failures that in many ways has driven the resolution. It is clear to all that something is amiss but the SFA will not admit it, probably from fear of the consequences of doing so?  Perhaps some form of indemnity, a lessons learned enquiry with no prejudice might help?

It would come as no surprise to me at all if there were those at Hampden who live in dreaded fear of admitting that their processes were flawed and that a grave mistake was made. Under these circumstances, there may well be those at Hampden who simply wish that Celtic and their fans would just go away!

 

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  1. StevieBC

    StevieBC


    From The Herald
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    “Picture gallery: 25 years since David Murray bought Rangers

    …Murray claimed that he had invested £100m of his own money in Rangers, however, since selling the club, his financial management has come under fire, especially after Rangers entered administration in 2012.

    Whyte blamed Murray’s regime for causing the club’s liquidation. However, Murray has always played down his role in the club’s financial meltdown and denied claims of ‘cheating’ following his use of EBTs at the club…”

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/opinion/picture-gallery-25-years-since-david-murray-bought-rangers.1385050556
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    Curious article.

    Some mild criticism of Murray, [well it’s a start !], and a photo gallery…

    Why – when the MSM generally has avoided all things (S)DM ?

    And why now ?
    [Apart from the 25th anniversary that is… 🙄 ]

    Confused.com

    [Further edit: it’s also posted on the Evening Times site, and someone there might be having a subtle dig at (S)DM and ‘Rangers’…rather than in the Sports section, the article is included under the ‘Memories’ section. 😉 ]

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  2. jockybhoy


    Ah but Smugas, that was only part of the problem.

    It is a complete defence to an action for defamation to prove that the defamatory statement is substantially true. It is not necessary for a defendant to show that there was a public interest in publication and it does not matter whether he or she acted maliciously.

    If relying on the defence of justification the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove that the allegations made are true. The defendant must prove it on the balance of probabilities, that is, the allegation is more likely than not to be true.

    A defendant is not required to prove that every allegation is true. The Defamation Act 1952 provides that where the words complained of contain two or more distinct allegations a defence of justification can still succeed if the words not proved to be true do not materially injure the claimant’s reputation having regard to the imputations which are proved true.

    THIS is why NewGers won’t go to court, IMO, their defence is the history of the club is intact – well that may well be, but the company (and the two are inextricably linked, in the eyes of everyone but the SFA) is new, undoubtedly, and that is easy to prove. The defence of justification of the “NewCo” term would be easy to prove and that would explode the myth…

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  3. fara1968


    Rumours abound that the SPFL are taking the team from Ibrox to task over non payment of the £250k fine for non disclosure of payments. Is there going to be a new club, nowt to do with us statement coming soon.

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  4. Shooperb

    Shooperb


    fara1968 says: (142)
    November 21, 2013 at 5:23 pm
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    Rumours abound that the SPFL are taking the team from Ibrox to task over non payment of the £250k fine for non disclosure of payments. Is there going to be a new club, nowt to do with us statement coming soon.

    Not worth getting excited about. If they have half a brain, they’ll stump up (assuming they haven’t run out of cash, obviously), simply because it bolsters their ‘same club’ charade, and, as pointed out earlier, if it’s settled before the appeal over the BTC is heard, then it gives both the SPFL and TRFC room to claim that they’ve ‘already been punished’ in the event of the conclusion actually being the one that every reasonable person would draw from the EBT scheme, and that the case against Rangers (the old club, obviously) can’t be revisited by the authorities.

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  5. Hoopy 7


    Good evening,
    just logging on after lurking for a few days.

    My guess is that the SPFL are going after newco for oldco debts as they know from inside info that CW is still pulling the strings and they need to get in and get the money before it all goes down the black hole.
    As for Sevco it has been teetering on the brink for ages but don’t worry it’s about to go over the cliff soon.

    What are millions of shares worth in a company which owns nothing?

    When CW pulls the pin and takes the property back everyone will have invested in a shell which owns he haw.
    There will be no AGM in my opinion.

    The problems with Scottish football still remain and will do so until CO and his brothers go. They have no honour they have no shame.

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  6. ForresDee


    Shooperb says: (329)
    November 21, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Not worth getting excited about. If they have half a brain, they’ll stump up (assuming they haven’t run out of cash, obviously), simply because it bolsters their ‘same club’ charade, and, as pointed out earlier, if it’s settled before the appeal over the BTC is heard, then it gives both the SPFL and TRFC room to claim that they’ve ‘already been punished’ in the event of the conclusion actually being the one that every reasonable person would draw from the EBT scheme, and that the case against Rangers (the old club, obviously) can’t be revisited by the authorities.

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    And that is the whole story in a nutshell, same club, been punished, closed chapter, nothing to see move along!

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  7. Auldheid


    RyanGosling says: (97)

    November 21, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Resin lab dog, to respond to your post:

    Its hard to argue with a lot of what you said, and while I’d happily get into some of the nuances I don’t want to detract from the direction of the blog – happy to pick up with you via pm if you wish.

    What I will say in response to your direct question, “was it worth it”, I will repeat what I’ve said on here previously. I wish Rangers had never even contemplated the tax dodging policies they used. I wholeheartedly wish it had never happened. And if you look at what has happened specifically to Rangers since then (liquidated), then the only possible conclusion that no, it was not worth it.

    And for the little its worth, I regret and am sorry for the fallout caused by the actions of Rangers over the last decade and a half.

    Actually, if I write that and leave it at that someone will be straight back on asking if I’m also sorry for the sectarian employment policies of the past, so yes, I am appalled by that disgusting policy.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Ryan

    I posted yesterday that one of the major issues that stops football moving on is that in embarking on a course of ebts that required side letters to be hidden, Rangers, broke the trust on which much of the game’s governance is based.

    It is apparent that there is a deal of reliance on self certification underpinning SFA rules. (As an aside the UEFA licence process is a self certifying one apparently which history will show an untrustworthy Rangers under CW drove a bus through after gaining a licence in 2011, although the SFA had a duty to check for veracity)

    Rangers in embarking on ebts with hidden letters broke the trust with the SFA and with the rest of Scottish football and that broken trust continues to bedevil all attempts to move on. As I said yesterday why should an apparently uncorrected entity be allowed to carry on playing as if they were trustworthy when clearly they are not?

    However on thinking things through further the Rangers support are part of the Scottish game and so when Sir David Murray and Campbell Ogilvie embarked on a policy of tax evasion (for sure in the wtc and probably in the btc) they also broke a trust with Ranger’s supporters by taking your club of which they were custodians, into the shameful territory that you now occupy and which you are having to apologise for.

    Yet there is little or no mention of this factor in the media, indeed it seems that the last thing anyone on the establishment side of the house wants to come out is that SDM and CO betrayed the Rangers support and broke trust with them. We and you are being asked to believe nothing irregular took place

    That is not surprising given that SDM is still a “Sir” and CO is President of the SFA, so you do not get much more establishment than that. Now SDM has gone to ground but the man equally responsible for starting EBTs, the ones that are illegal because of the way they were implemented, but which LNS confused with (loan) ebts that are still under judgement with huge consequences that have still to be realised never mind felt, that man Campbell Ogilvie is still President of the football governing body in Scotland. Make no mistake he was instrumental in taking Rangers on the ebt trail in 1999 but has hidden behind the loan ebts of which he has protested little knowledge.

    Good Rangers men. like yourself should be asking questions of Campbell Ogilvie and his role in introducing the risky and trust breaking ebt culture into Rangers.

    If trust is to be restored to our game, the untrustworthy must be removed and the process starts with Campbell Ogilvie. He either satisfactorily explains to Rangers supporters his innocence when he signed the first ebt letter in Sep1999 and his part in the Rangers employee remuneration policy ratifying committee a few weeks after that first letter and to you and the rest of Scottish football why he failed to alert LNS to the significance of the early ebts in 1999 and 2000 (the ones the SPL missed because D&P withheld details) when he gave testimony to LNS.

    If he has a credible explanation, which by being credible would restore trust, he stays. If no credible explanation or none at all, Rangers supporters should be demanding he step down as one of the men responsible for taking you and your club (and our game) to where it now is and breaking trust with you.

    If we want a clean game then the guilty need to come clean and as arguably the biggest victims of broken trust in terms of all that you have had to endure as a result of that brokenness, it is high time the Rangers support focussed on why you are now where you are and who really betrayed you.

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  8. fara1968


    @ shooperb
    Yes I think you are correct. Just been reading back earlier posts. Work stuff kept me away for a bit. Your “we have already been punished” scenario is the kind of thing these guys are capable of. Sadly.

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  9. MadScientist


    Given some comments today that allude to JFK in 1963…
    Craig Whyte…Lee harvey Oswald
    Charles Green…Jack Ruby
    David Murray…on the Grassy Knoll
    SFA….The Warren commission
    JFK…Rangers (the corpse)
    And of course Opus Die and Peter L as the unseen mafia/CIA/”fenian” hand … 😆 😆

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  10. Auldheid


    ForresDee says: (129)

    November 21, 2013 at 5:44 pm

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    Shooperb says: (329)
    November 21, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Not worth getting excited about. If they have half a brain, they’ll stump up (assuming they haven’t run out of cash, obviously), simply because it bolsters their ‘same club’ charade, and, as pointed out earlier, if it’s settled before the appeal over the BTC is heard, then it gives both the SPFL and TRFC room to claim that they’ve ‘already been punished’ in the event of the conclusion actually being the one that every reasonable person would draw from the EBT scheme, and that the case against Rangers (the old club, obviously) can’t be revisited by the authorities.

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    And that is the whole story in a nutshell, same club, been punished, closed chapter, nothing to see move along!
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    There may be something in this in that I believe there is a fundamental flaw in LNS’s decision and the last thing the SPFL might want is to have to revisit it and raise the title stripping issue that LNS got around by deeming all ebts as regular and the failure to report them as administrative rather than deliberate errors.

    The wtc ebts history challenges this view and indeed suggests the matter should have been looked at under a different set of SPL/SFA rules entirely about making illegal payments by hidden means.

    Lets assume the FTT had found for HMRC before LNS started. That is Rangers had paid players by an unlawful method not available to other clubs and hidden details of the unlawful payments from the SFA. Anyone any idea what Articles that might have breached?

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  11. Galling fiver


    My earlier thinking about the LNS imposed fine possibly coming back to bite their arse, maybe the fine is not covered as a football debt which trumps the creditors scenario, since it came after the death, maybe it would be seen in a Phoenix type scenario. I thought one of our better informed guys would know more about what constitutes a football creditor/ debt.

    Although I do think it’s just a very public debate to assist the same club myth.

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  12. Exiled Celt


    Auldheid

    However on thinking things through further the Rangers support are part of the Scottish game and so when Sir David Murray and Campbell Ogilvie embarked on a policy of tax evasion (for sure in the wtc and probably in the btc) they also broke a trust with Ranger’s supporters by taking your club of which they were custodians, into the shameful territory that you now occupy and which you are having to apologise for.

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    Spot on – as I have mentioned a few times all my family with exception of me obviously were all RFC fans – I have attended RFC games in the 70’s with my big brothers and they were all prone to tell me if I did not behave, they would tell everyone who I supported etc. But I had my revenge when my mum made them take me to see Kenny/Jinky! Anyhow – we have always had loads of banter – lots of fun – and nothing too dramatic.

    However all of them to a person have stopped going to Ibrokes – and all of their sons and their kids too. Up to RFC days, they attended maybe 10 or 20 games a year – big game folks for sure – but they all spent money on RFC merchandise by the lorry load,

    None of them go now. Not one of them have a puma strip. None of them have much interest. A couple of them went to a few games – the Hedges game where Sevco Scotland played and a game against Montrose. My nephew was ticked off that everyone around him seemed to have free tickets for some reason (I posted a copy of one he got as a souvenir on RTC)..

    Now to Auldheids point – the money that used to go from RTC from my extended family has all but dried up – and their sons and grandsons are “Rangers” but never get to go to the games. None of them wear current strips – all are more interested in National team, EPL, or Champions League.

    Will it change if/when TRFC get to the summit? Don’t think so – there is a real let down feeling amongst them all about SDM and what happened – none of them will admit to me that its a new club – and I have stopped trying to talk about it now.

    Shame of it all is we almost never talk football anymore – only thing we can all agree on nowadays is a realization that no matter if Allan Hutton was the most capped player for Scotland on the pitch the other night and that he was sold by RFC for 8 million quid at one time – he is still utterly useless!!

    But these fans are lost to TRFC now.

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  13. Tif Finn


    On Radio Clyde just now – Jim Delahunt

    Administration is a routine business function Jim, you are absolutely correct.

    So is liquidation.

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  14. fergusslayedtheblues


    Just a wee thing I was wondering about
    Am I correct in thinking that CW has secured the rights to the ragers story (books,tv,film ) ,bearing in mind his love of tape recorders ,could this be CWs insurance policy .
    Just think how many peepil CW will have by the Sandy Galls if he had his tape running from the start of this debacle .
    None more so possibly than two peepil from the 6th floor over dinner in Oct 2011 ,CWs film ,book ,tv doc could be worth plenty if he released any but also ,how much could it be worth to certain peepil for CWs book.film.tv doc never to see the light of day.
    If there has been any corruption going on (as many on here believe ) and CW has the means to prove just that ,would he be prepared to go public ,IMO he most certainly would .
    The question is ,is it worth more to be buried than public
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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  15. Torquemada


    Angus1983 on November 21, 2013 at 3:27 pm 7 17 Rate ThisOTMoreCelticParanoia says: (81)November 21, 2013 at 1:34 pmAd Hominem – the last refuge of the defeated and discredited——Actually, the last refuge in a disagreement is “name-calling” (e.g. calling your opponent “defeated and discredited”).Sorry.

    Personally, I’ve always found that snide smartassery is the last refuge of someone with nothing of value to contribute. Sorry.

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  16. RyanGosling

    RyanGosling


    Auldheid,

    Your point about SDM etc. breaking the trust of the Rangers support is a good one. I’ve said this before that the first victims in all of this, before the implications spread and infected many other areas, were Rangers fans. Terminal damage was done really before anything became public knowledge. So I thank you for recognising that point, that the trust of the Rangers fans was also broken.

    I also fully agree with everything else you said, and thank you again for posting such a well thought out and reasoned opinion. Genuinely, the only reason I am not on here ranting about Ogilvie every day is because I believe it to be so far beyond doubt that he is in a way beyond untenable position that it doesn’t even need saying. Especially not to this audience. However on reading your post I stand corrected; it was well worth saying again.

    I agree that he must stand down, if not face charges – there must be some law he’s broken, because ask yourself this; how could he preside over investigations into EBTs when he should have been witness number one? How can he have been on the board of a club who imploded so spectacularly as a result of actions he was involved in and then move on to become president of the SFA? The man is conflicted and unable to do his job properly as a result of the damage he has wrought on one of the biggest clubs in Scotland, on the SFA, and on the game in Scotland as a whole. At the very least, he should be charged by the SFA for bringing the game into disrepute, which is the very least he’s done.

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  17. davythelotion


    Oliver Stone’s JFK is apposite to the sevco saga. An assassination carried out by a variety of organisations, some legal, some not, working together for motives which were founded in polar opposites of the moral compass. After the deed the establishment conspired to not only protect the guilty but to allow the corruption of the body politic to continue unchecked. Anyone who questioned the official version of events was ridiculed as an obsessive. Anyone in the media who deviated from the dictated script found it difficult, if not impossible, to find work.
    And don’t get me started on JFK!!!! 😎

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  18. StevieBC

    StevieBC


    The World Cup
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    Another missed World Cup, and another missed opportunity for Scottish football fans everywhere to have a few memorable days / nights in the pub cheering on the team. For me ’98 was a planned holiday back to Glasgow specifically to meet up with friends at various pubs to watch the games together and catch up. Great fun – even if the games themselves where a bit of a blur !

    Today there is an interesting diagram, per link, which shows which countries have qualified for the World Cup since 1998.

    The other unfortunate nations who last appeared in a World Cup in 1998 are;
    Austria
    Bulgaria
    Jamaica
    Morocco
    Norway
    Romania

    And perhaps more surprising, the ‘other’ nations who have qualified 5 times in a row include;
    England
    Japan
    Mexico
    South Korea
    USA

    [Agreed, certain geographical qualification routes can be regarded as ‘easier’.]
    Hopefully 2018 qualification is a real possibility – or even the Euro’s 2016.

    Qualification for either could go some way to further boosting the game and the profile of Scottish football.
    It would also be a significant step forward if the SFA was ‘sorted out’ before the next qualification was achieved…

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304607104579210260819460176

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  19. scapaflow

    scapaflow


    RyanGosling says: (98)
    November 21, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Sadly, there is not a snowballs chance in hell of Mr Ogilvy facing charges from the SFA. Far to many other people currently and formerly, in the upper reaches of the SFA have far to much to lose for that to happen.

    The boards, past and present of the SFA and SPL/SPFL have become a self-preservation society.

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  20. RyanGosling

    RyanGosling


    Its our SFA. They don’t exist without us. Who elects the president of the SFA? Surely a good way of doing it would be to pressurise the SFA in some way, ideally without boycotts etc. as I don’t believe they’re ever effective enough, to change the elections so that members of the Scotland fans travelling club for example (I’m not a member so don’t know the exact name!) elect the president? That way the proven die hard fans of the national side would have a say in how the national game was run?

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  21. scapaflow

    scapaflow


    RyanGosling says: (99)
    November 21, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    It’s not our SFA, it’s the Club’s SFA and those self serving bas*^&ds voted unanimously to re-elect Mr Ogilvy. That was the point in time, when the last vestiges of integrity in Scottish Football died.

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