2012 in review

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Trisidium

Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

1,424 Comments
  1. AllyJambo

    AllyJambo


    Auldheid (@Auldheid) says:

    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 12:35

    There is so much opportunity in Green’s rantings for even the most inexperienced of journalists to go to town on and totally discredit his words, but they don’t, or don’t do it well enough (in Tom English’s case). What a simple to write, but eyeopening, article it might well be if someone did a comparison of Romanov and Green’s rantings, to compare how inflamatory they each were, how much each rant actually brought the game into disrepute, then compare the punishments handed out. I might be wrong, and it might be discovered that Romanov was just as inflamatory and out of order as Green, but I’m 100% correct in saying the reaction and punishment meted out by the governing bodies are infinitely disproportionate. Just like the Rangers Tax Case, there is surely more than just a football story there!

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  2. fara1968


    angus1983 on Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 13:21

    I wonder if the cretaceous / tertiary border has ever cropped up in a football debate before? 🙂

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  3. Auldheid


    ohhappydayz says:

    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 12:53

    ” The game is being run for the benefit of one club only, and all rules will be thrown out to accommodate that one club”

    I do not think that is the case. I think that the belief of The SFA is that Scottish football as an industry cannot afford to lose 45,000 paying customers without being damaged.

    The fact that most of us see these customers as followers of a club with practices that almost brought our game to its knees, but which the SFA appear to want to continue with uncorrected as The Rangers thinking is exposed, seems to have been lost on those in power.

    The difficulty though is if The Rangers were to clean up their act and behave in a manner suitable to a civil society, how many of that 45,000 customers would remain?

    Lets put that at 35,000 decent bears (your pals and mine). Is Scottish football, nay Scottish society, prepared to lose that 10,000? Are The Rangers prepared to lose that 10,000 and the income they generate?

    What price would Scottish society be prepared to pay for a cleaned up club, whose supporters want to follow football as opposed to rule the roost,? What is the policy of an independent Scotland on this issue?

    The problem as I see it is nothing is being done to root out the undesirable element, indeed they appear to be being given every encouragement and that is a source of dismay.

    I can understand the SFA being reluctant to tackle an issue that Scottish society and its government has swerved for years, but the genie of genuflection to one side (even if for financial rather than sectarian reasons as I believe) is now out in the open and cannot be put back in the bottle.

    It is make your mind up time for the legacy we want to leave our children and the idea that a corrupt mindset will win out is not the kind of legacy to a decent and civil society I would like to leave behind.

    That these higher societal issues are being lost is also a matter of concern for a country wishing to govern itself.

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  4. Carfins Finest. (@edunne58)


    Is this why Sevco CEO has been bumping on about his wee mob being invited to join in a wee chat with the old boys club that is the ECA?

    http://www.celticnewsnow.com/news/lennon-leaves-marbella-for-elite-managers-summit/64554?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=FacebookFeed

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  5. whisperer


    doontheslope ….. I totally agree ….. I have stated before I would want a total clear out at SFA SPL SFL ….. But the longer this saga drags on the more I wonder WHY ? …. Why are they ALL still in place ? …. And you know what mate …. I’m more and more turning on to the thought that THE WHOLE OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL IS BENT …. My team your team everybody’s team ! Football is a game/competition ….. But MONEY mate has is and will continue to destroy it ….. I will make my decision in the close season has to whether I’ll ever attend another game in my life ……. I chucked my tv oot in august 2002 never to be replaced …. Why ? Because it’s P.I.S.H …… And a whole new world opened to me ….. Fitba used to be a big luv of mine ! ….. Like ma auld granny used to say … And it’s been used on here …. I’m scunnered wi scunner Campbell and scunnered wi it aw !

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  6. ordinaryfan


    Campbell Ogilvy really must go. I am starting to feel real annoyance and disappointment that my Club have not spoken out about the conflicted and compromised role of Ogilvy. Celtic and the other Clubs need to listen to the fans and speak up on our behalf.

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  7. Auldheid


    angus1983 says:

    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 13:21

    The environment is changing, the ability to expose myths now being part of that change. had that not been the case Rangers would now be playing in the SPL after a winter break..

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  8. campsiejoe


    Another thought
    Is Charlie upset because he was assured that re-organisation would place Sevco in the division immediately below the SPL
    Think about it
    There has been an indecent haste to overhaul the leagues, and I’m sure the main driver behind it is to facilitate Sevco’s return as soon as possible
    The fact that this has been scuppered by the statement that membership of the new leagues will be decided on merit has upset Sevco – big time
    Hence we have Charlie, McCoist and JT demanding a promotion for winning Div 3, and the only promotion available is into SPL 2
    That’s why all of the toys are coming out of the 3 prams, as they now realise that it is very unlikely that this will happen

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  9. ordinaryfan


    fistasapart says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 13:32
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    I think that Celtic supporters quite rightly feel aggrieved that the new Rangers are trying to pass themselves off as the original.

    …………….

    What about the supporters of every other Club in the Country?

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  10. Auldheid


    campsiejoe says:

    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 14:02

    Here is my take on what is pissing them off.

    They got Longmuir on board to produce a restructure that saw them save a season moving up. Trouble was they had nowt to offer the other clubs as a financial inducement.

    Celtic had that, offered it and clubs looked at the state of The Rangers and what they really are right now – a shower of barra boys trying to act like Harrods- and decided Celtic with at least 4 attempts at CL money to come and the ability to give up SPL prize money , were a much better bet than The Rangers..

    I think it is this that is ripping their knitting.

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  11. campsiejoe


    Auldheid (@Auldheid) @ 14:09

    I would agree with that viewpoint too
    I still think though, promises have been made, which haven’t been delivered

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  12. yakutsuki

    yakutsuki


    See aw they new world records sevco are making this season, will they mibbes go up for sale at some point? You know, the same as Chic Green buying the history of old club?

    Personally I doubt it as I think the new record breaking all conquering TRFC are priceless!!!

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  13. ordinaryfan


    So far every argument that Sevco are a continuation has been debunked.
    We had the argument that the Membership was transferred therefore they are the same Club.
    Well that makes no sense whatsoever, because if the Membership had been gone to another Club that Club would NOT be RFC 1872. There has been no argument put forward as to why in this one instance it all of a sudden becomes possible and logical.
    We had the argument that Sevco purchased the Goodwill of Rangers 1872, again this was debunked as Goodwill cannot be bought unless you purchase an entity as a whole. Sevco did not purchase RFC but some of its assets.

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  14. fara1968


    Auldheid (@Auldheid) on Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 14:09
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    campsiejoe says:

    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 14:02

    Here is my take on what is pissing them off.

    They got Longmuir on board to produce a restructure that saw them save a season moving up. Trouble was they had nowt to offer the other clubs as a financial inducement.

    Celtic had that, offered it and clubs looked at the state of The Rangers and what they really are right now – a shower of barra boys trying to act like Harrods- and decided Celtic with at least 4 attempts at CL money to come and the ability to give up SPL prize money , were a much better bet than The Rangers..

    I think it is this that is ripping their knitting.

    …………………………
    I think the prospect of asking the fans to cough up to buy an inflated season book price would have been easier on Chuckles if they were playing in div 2 next season. Maybe this is why we have super rally rousing the fans with talk of unfair treatment. Their MO is to march GangBam style in protest. If they cant get a say in matters one way then they will in the way they know best.

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  15. bailemeanach


    Regarding the supposed settling (or arrangements to settle) of oldco football debts, have the relevant clubs confirmed this to be the case? Or do we take Cathal’s word for it?

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  16. iki


    Is it the same club with the same history?

    When asked Regan said that it was a matter of opinion.
    Several months of silence.
    When asked Regan/Ogilvie said that it was.

    Who decided that it was no longer a matter of opinion?
    When were the clubs and fans going to be informed that it was no longer a matter of opinion?

    Is it still just a matter of opinion but only one opinion matters?

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  17. bailemeanach


    iki says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 14:37

    When asked Regan said that it was a matter of opinion.

    Surely it must be a matter of fact? Otherwise when is a club not a club?

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  18. jonnyod


    Re the Tom English piece
    he quote CG as saying the ECA say they are the same club but fails to print the rest of CGs line of that sentence ,which was DEPITE WHAT THE LAWYERS AND AUTHORITIES SAY .
    Now that suggests to me that a members club is saying they are the same club but the rule of law and the game say they are not .
    It can’t be both ,so which one is it .
    As for the SFA ,I would not take anything they say about sevco 2012 seriousley in this regard ,I would look for confirmation from outwith our game .

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  19. valentinesclown

    valentinesclown


    You could not make this up.
    A recent tweet from a Sevco fan.

    “Said this before and i’ll say it again. We accepted Ally ditching the suit, and we’ll end up accepting renaming Ibrox.”

    Forget Reconstruction and sitting in Div 3. Priorities.

    My solution is as follows,

    Maybe a compromise would be to rename Ibrox and call it Ibrogues, Then Ally would feel obliged to wear suitable attire.

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  20. angus1983


    A sharp piece in Andrew Smith’s “Stramash” column in SoS today. I admit to having to read it a couple of times. 🙂

    “I hope that the above attempted joke doesn’t fall foul of rangers’ new Head of Communication James Traynor, who had a “word of advice” in a blog on the club’s website this week to be “very careful when talking or writing about” his club. I have been quivering ever since. I shouldn’t really be, though. For I wholly agree with Mr Traynor that most of those who write in the blogosphere are semi-literates best ignored.”

    … also …

    Text joke of the week:
    Typical Rangers supporter on Monday: “We are enjoying the journey and making new friends.”
    Typical Rangers supporter on Wednesday: “You can shove playing all those diddy teams and going to their cruddy grounds again next season.”

    Mr Smith’s column is always good for humorous jibes at TRFC’s expense. I always save it til last when reading through the Sports section (anyone from SoS watching – far too much rugger and horsey stuff.)

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  21. justshatered

    justshatered


    Why are we really surprised about the history being transferred?
    A group of conflicted individuals who did all they could to first of all deny what was actually happening and secondly, when the car crash occurred, participated in the biggest sporting travesty ever to be played out in this country.
    The names of these men will go down in the annals of Scottish sporting history. Years from now their names will be recounted in pubs and clubs up and down the country. Their names will become synonymous with destroying any vestige of impartiality.
    What is it that drives a thought process where everything is about ensuring that one club, and the philosophy that follows it, is preserved to the detriment of all others. Surely to win under these circumstances demean any achievement that you have as somewhere deep down within must lurk the questions;
    Did we win this fairly?
    Did the linesman really not see the player a yard offside?
    Did the referee really not see that clumsy challenge by my team mate in the box?
    Did that opposition player deserve to be sent off?
    Then again perhaps that mind set is so oblivious to what it is actually doing that it thinks it is its right to triumph and win even when it does not deserve it.
    What does that say about our fledgling nation where, in the 21st century, a belief system ably supported by the governing bodies is allowed to corrupt a sport?
    And if this is allowed to continue and go unchecked what else is going on behind the scenes in other walks of life. When a media is either complicit or intimidated into not reporting facts then what else is not being investigated?
    For long periods fans who dared to ask questions were called paranoid. Well when a group of people can, in plain sight, ignore rules where a natural evolution of the sport by allowing one team to die that will in turn allow a few teams to grow and fill the void then that is corruption.
    Football is constantly evolving; tactics and formations change, teams rise and fall based on sporting merit. However, in Scotland, every club is now basically a support for one club and a belief system built on a sense of entitlement. It must be otherwise why is no one saying anything about what is going on?

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  22. valentinesclown

    valentinesclown


    Can some ask the SFA of another example of history being purchased. Or is this like a conditional licence scenario. MADE UP to suit 1 club and its fan base.

    MSM please question Ogilvie on this.

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  23. Brenda


    Can anyone recall why the rfcil/sevco followers started wearing red and black scarves last season……………. Kept it going for a while didn’t they ……….. So fickle 🙂 will they stop attending ibrokes when the free tickets dry up too 🙂 🙂

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  24. iki


    bailemeanach says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 14:42
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    iki says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 14:37

    When asked Regan said that it was a matter of opinion.

    Surely it must be a matter of fact? Otherwise when is a club not a club?
    ===========
    That was his answer on air, when asked several months ago.
    Recounting what he said is not the same as agreeing with him.
    At the time, I thought it was a ludicrous thing for the governing body to be saying.

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  25. bailemeanach


    Brenda

    The oldco follow followed the Jim Bowen mantra

    Kept out of the black and stayed in the red

    They kept the history but we all know they’re dead

    I’ll get me tungsten darts…

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  26. arabest1


    When is history…… not history?
    When is a loan…… not a loan?
    When is a conditional license….. not a conditional license?
    When is a club…a holding company?
    When is a holding company…..a club?

    I see a pattern!

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  27. dukinfisgusted


    So it is unfair on Sevco fans who bought season tickets assuming they would get promoted of the 3rd Division and not playing the same teams next season.
    So how do they think Peterhead/Elgin fans felt when they had purchased season tickets and had Sevco shoe horned into their league at the last minute.

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  28. broadswordcallingdannybhoy

    broadswordcallingdannybhoy


    Fan power or the power of the pounds in our pockets pretty much forced clubs in the summer to do what was right. I’m pretty certain that we can do the same with some if not all of the msm media in Scotland. I’ve read many times on here and other forums that we should just not buy papers or listen to phone ins, I don’t necessarily agree that that will effect any positive change in the standard of journalism. Will the reverse work?

    Rather than a boycott, couldn’t we as fans single out a particular red top or broadsheet and agree to purchase it and view it’s sporting pages online en-mass on a particular day?

    We would in effect be showing them what their shoddy reportage and lack of proper journalism has cost them.

    Agree/Disagree? Let’s see those thumbs 🙂

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  29. jw hardin


    Auldheid (@Auldheid) says:
Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 12:35

    In evolution only the smartest adapt and evolve, stupidity is why The Rangers will struggle.
—

    angus1983 says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 13:21

    Not sure, heid. In evolution, the survivors are those which best fit their environment and are able to adapt quickly to changes. (Neanderthals, after all, were relatively intelligent and no-one’s quite sure why they disappeared – though most likely out-competed by us in the given niche.)
    ———————————————————-
    Think it might’ve been K Popper in the 50s who stated: Closed systems are doomed to fail in the evolutionary process. Or words to that effect.

    He was referring to the USSR in comparison with Liberal Democracy. One closed, one open.

    Ergo Ideologies not open to external influences (cf NeoGers) will wither and die.

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  30. liveinhop


    Just seen that Rapid Vienna announced that the Forces of Darkness have not finalised their payments for Jelavic. They offered to pay 60% of the fee and were told to f””” off and Rapid have hired lawyers to get the full payment. Another lie from the Darkside and all it merited in the Mail was a 2 inch column,when are the journalists in this country going to grow a set and tell the truth about this sham of a club

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  31. jonnyod


    liveinhop
    This is getting ridiculous now ,if true this will be yet another example of misinformation/untruths to emanate from an ever increasingly discredited source within sevco 2012 fc .
    This would beg the question who told Tom English the details of the ECA conversation and whoever it was how reliable is it

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  32. paulmac2


    The SFA are in one word….CORRUPT!

    As for James Traynor making threats to all to be careful what they wright about SEVCO united…the man seems to have found his tough guy attitude now that he has joined the world record holders for threatening behaviour…or is the fact there are nutters in the support who will arrange a hangin!

    Talking about being careful James…it doesn’t seem to stop your lunatic boss…maybe you should have a word with him about being careful!

    Is it a pre-requisite to become a thug when joining this shower of anti social misfits?

    Anyhow Campbell Ogilvie still has an outstanding tax free loan that in theory could be called in at any minute…unless he continues to do and say what SEVCO tell him!

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  33. paulmac2


    What am I like…Write of course

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  34. paulmac2


    liveinhop says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 16:38
    ……………………………………………………….

    If true….then that makes Charles Green a bare faced liar!

    As he said on talksport he had paid all football debts…which he had to do to be accepted back into the ECA as an associate member…

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  35. sixtaeseven


    “Strops Area” down Govan way?

    strop = a bad mood, especially one in which a person will not do what they are asked and is unpleasant to other people

    Sounds about right to me
    ;o)

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  36. briggsbhoy


    If I were to start manufacturing and selling football replica football tops and other memoribillia relating to Old Rangers without reference to one of the 3 Rangers Companies I assume that I would be in breach of copyright or would I? Is this not part of what Chuckie bought and at the end of the day ?

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  37. valentinesclown

    valentinesclown


    Auldheid

    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 12:53

    I agree that all that can be done from the SFA and lets be honest the main culprit will be Mr (I am no compromised and cannot do my role) Ogilvie to save Sevco and its WATP fans will be done. I also am dismayed and some of the main reasons are:

    The SFA make no attempt to hide their intentions and are so blatant and corrupt it actually sickens me. We may have suspected in the past about corruption at the top but now there is no doubt about it.

    Also the MSM cannot portray what the main reason for this shambolic scenario of Scottish football having these reconstruction plans being thrust upon us is (try and be a jouralist without fear or favour). Just say it as it is Sevco are a new club, the old club were liquidated and giving a last chance with the made up licence. Sevco have no history. Their fans have a deplorable history across Europe as a result of the old clubs sectarian policy which lasted up until 1986.

    The sectarian aspect of this which as you say is has been ignored at the most highest level really is Scotland’s not so Hidden Shame as was heard at Hampden last year and recently again at Hampden only a couple of weeks ago.

    If we do not address these issues I have mentioned as you say it will carry on in the dark corridors of the SFA and it will get worse as they will not feel they will know that they are the people with free reign.

    Campbell Ogilvie being sacked would be a starting point.

    Scottish football is surviving quite well without Sevco at the top tier and we have at least 3 years before that club returns, let us use this time to change the SFA to a body we can trust.

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  38. goosy


    Tick Tock to next Hogmanay

    31 Dec 2013 is the last day the TRFC Board can pretend they will give Ally the £10m he was promised
    After that they could have some violent people to deal with if Ally doesn`t get his war chest

    Well before then Green needs to pass the parcel to some other sucker so he can exit Glasgow in one piece
    The Spivs will already be working their way through a plan to legally milk TRFC of its cash while paying themselves and their pals lots of salaries and fees for “services” rendered
    The optimum date for emptying the piggy will most likely be shortly after the next batch of STs are paid for

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  39. briggsbhoy


    What I am of course alluding to in my previous post is that he almost certainly bought all that but what he could not buy or transfer was Rangers membership of SFA/SPL therefore what he bought is old branding, goodwill and assets such as stadium and fixtures and fittings including contents of trophy room, old strips etc. As often pointed out you could have bought everything that belonged to the defunct club but because you have these assets you cannot say that you are a continuation of an entity that seized to exist regardless of how short period that was the case. If customers/supporters want now to believe that you are still that entity we shall never persuade them otherwise but we all know you aint who you say are. You are a stadium full of memories and just like the mob in NI you like to hang onto the past.

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  40. valentinesclown

    valentinesclown


    http://t.co/uGmXX21K

    What a difference a badge makes.

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  41. Reilly1926


    goosygoosy says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 18:12

    Tick Tock to next Hogmanay

    31 Dec 2013 is the last day the TRFC Board can pretend they will give Ally the £10m he was promised
    After that they could have some violent people to deal with if Ally doesn`t get his war chest

    Well before then Green needs to pass the parcel to some other sucker so he can exit Glasgow in one piece
    The Spivs will already be working their way through a plan to legally milk TRFC of its cash while paying themselves and their pals lots of salaries and fees for “services” rendered
    The optimum date for emptying the piggy will most likely be shortly after the next batch of STs are paid for
    ==================

    I wouldn’t trust McOist to do the right thing with £10 never mind £10m. Mr Charles is a loony but he’s not daft where money is concerned.

    In all honesty if a vacancy became available anywhere in Scotland (Put his salary to one side) would Ally be near the top of anybody’s list going by his performance/record so far ?

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  42. angus1983


    ohhappydayz says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 15:15

    Can some ask the SFA of another example of history being purchased.
    ——

    Budapest Honved, who probably didn’t even pay for theirs.

    Read their story on Wikipedia, look at their website – all history intact despite being probably even more of a different club to the original than TRFC are.

    Although it would be morally correct to not hang onto the old club’s history, I don’t think there’s any way they’re going to be parted from it now. The definite “holding company” (RIFC plc)setup now in place makes the football club (TRFC Ltd) an asset. They slipperied the debate when it mattered, and now it’s set in nearly dry concrete.

    Not what the rest of us may have liked, but that’s how it is.

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  43. barcabhoy

    barcabhoy


    I don’t care whether Rangers is the same club now as previously. I believe as a matter of fact it is not, however I don’t care one way or the other. Associate membership of the SFL , rather than full membership , surely only comes about for a new club, rather than one with 140 years on continuous existence.

    However

    I see it as an issue for Rangers supporters, if they see it as the same club, then it’s their club and that should be the end of the matter.

    What is much more important in my view is the outcome of the Nimmo Smith enquiry. Nothing should be prejudged, although the publicly known evidence is damning of Rangers and Murray in particular.

    The Rangers support have worked themselves into a frenzy over their “treatment “. There is no rationale discussion you can have with a group who are determined to rewrite History. The huge problems caused for Scottish Football and to Rangers themselves , principally by Murray but also by Whyte, are deemed to be of no consequence by the revisionists .

    That was ” the previous regime” they cry by way of a disclaimer, at the same time as lauding the achievements of Walter who operated right slap bang in the middle of this previous regime.

    We want to start in Div 3 and work our way up fairly they claim, at the same time as being outraged at not being given preferential treatment at every turn in League reconstruction.

    They claim they want to make friends, yet Green is taking or threatens to take legal against almost everyone imaginable. Ex players, Clubs in England Switzerland and Scotland, The SFA and UEFA

    Green promised 100% transparency over ownership, yet as soon as the share issue was complete refused to tell who owned the mysterious trusts who are the largest shareholders at Rangers

    The above and many many more actions are representative of a club in turmoil. A club not at ease with its curren status, not accepting , really accepting that in football terms it is less relevant than Thistle , Morton and Dunfermline and will remain that way until it plays again at the top level in Scotland

    That’s the reality of the Club called Rangers. We can expect another 3 years of this and IF Nimmo Smith finds against them in a significant way, the level of outrage will reach new heights .

    There is a herd mentality which refuses to accept blame or responsibility at Rangers . The herd mentality wants to punish anyone with the temerity to bring Rangers to task for breaches or irregularities. This is a club that really does believe that the only rules that should be applied to it are ones it agrees with.

    That’s the unhealthiest of positions . To change to an inclusive position needs reasonable leadership at Rangers. Green is incapable of providing this . In business terms he’s a lightweight with a lousy track record. He is only doing what his abilities allow him to do.

    Malcolm Murray has been a severe disappointment . He has a credibility and a track record which should be setting the pace here. Instead he has become invisible, content to allow the most outrageous statements from Green and McCoist to remain unchallenged or reigned in.

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  44. Palacio67


    Good post barcabhoy and welcome back ! What is your gut feeling on the LNS enquiry? Personally I think if they are found guilty or not there will not be any title stripping or large fines. If anything it may be damning report akin the FTT result, that the hordes will claim as a victory as will the MSM. They will then bodyswerve mentioning what the report actually says. I hope I am wrong.

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  45. jimlarkin


    tom english

    yesterday on bbc, tom english said he did not believe charles green – when charles green said he wasn’t “consulted”.

    chico young and spencey both said that they heard that sevco had been “consulted”.

    so chico green was lying.

    so, that means that david longmuir was lying too !!??

    why would they fib?

    [also, what has the amount of fans sevco have, got to do with anything. the reason they don’t have a vote, has been made very clear. they are not eligable, end of]

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  46. tomtom


    Charles believes that a European League will be in operation within 5 years and the gers will be a part of it. Doesn’t matter that no-one else seems to be of this opinion (unless of course Charles is spilling the beans and the rest have all been sworn to silence – kind of latter day “30 years rule”)

    I am honestly amazed that Rangers fans are still believing him. I know that he is only spouting this guff to keep them onside but surely there must be some of them out there who are, at the very least, suspicious. Every pronouncement top trumps the previous one. I must search Amazon for the book “Gullible people and how to fool them – 1001 statements to fool your audience” because I can’t believe that Charles is dreaming all these up by himself.

    Can’t wait for his next one. Maybe when it gets quiet on here we could start a “crazy Charles quote theme” and see if any of us can get close to it.

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  47. Tartawulver

    Tartawulver


    From Austrian paper ‘das Kurier” website
    http://kurier.at/sport/fussball/rapid-happy-end-fuer-jelavic-thriller/2.478.340

    According to my best German (which is not very good, but ably assisted by Google translation) the last line of the article says:

    [Rapid Club President Rudolf] Erdlinger told das Kurier that “”We have heard in the process [of negotiations about getting the remainder of the Jelavic fee] that even the return of the Rangers in the top league is possible in the summer.”

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  48. Senior


    Supposing, just supposing the SPL clubs decided not to vote on restructuring until the twenty(20) most urgent questions were answered honestly. If the stooges refused to answer even one of the questions then the clubs can say the people who blocked restructuring were the very people who proposed it. If the questions were not answered it would mean, as we suspected all along, that the scam was indeed set up to benefit one club only – who’s name for the moment escapes me!

    Afterthought,
    how could they vote on restructuring anyway when they are not in possession of all the facts. Schoolboys would not fall for this scam.

    Please fellow bloggers would someone compose a list of the most urgent questions.

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  49. paulsatim


    TW (@tartanwulver) says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 19:57
    1 0 Rate This
    From Austrian paper ‘das Kurier” website
    http://kurier.at/sport/fussball/rapid-happy-end-fuer-jelavic-thriller/2.478.340

    According to my best German (which is not very good, but ably assisted by Google translation) the last line of the article says:

    [Rapid Club President Rudolf] Erdlinger told das Kurier that “”We have heard in the process [of negotiations about getting the remainder of the Jelavic fee] that even the return of the Rangers in the top league is possible in the summer.”
    =====================================

    http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-red-mist-descends-over-the-blue-danube/#more-3492

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  50. torrejohnbhoy


    Nice to know that Green still thinks using the army to help preach to the faithful is OK(from the Quarry Bar in Rutherglen,earlier today:

    https://twitter.com/WeeLenny1888/status/290549881582538752/photo/1/large

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  51. Senior


    Parson St.Bhoy Jan12 12.47

    “Is Chukie getting his legal promptings re sex discrimination from Di Stefano?”
    _____________________________________

    Naw it’s from some guy call Sir Paul Baxendale-Walker, the N is silent.& missing.

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  52. pau1mart1n


    all the big european club CEO’s will be doing there pronouncements in pubs now.
    uefa, look & learn.
    hope they have pubs in Qatar.

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  53. iceman63


    The SFA are totally screwed now as regards being in any way a fit body to operate the rules of sport.

    They have manifestly broken their own rules on numerous occasions and as such have absolutely no credibility nor authority.

    They invented two different membership criteria for “Rangers”: one of “conditional membership” for SEVCO, whilst Rangers still held an SPL membership – utterly ultra vires and unlawful under any circumstances – and then a second category of “associate membership” – no league member has before played or actually or can play at all under such a guise – again unlawful under any circumstance.

    They also transferred a membership to a separate legal entity – again unlawful – and now it seems that despite the broken history, the conditional membership, the associate membership and the illegal transfer of registration – they see fit to declare this club the same entity despite having absolutely no basis at all for this assertion.

    What this reveals, unequivocally and incontestably,is the fundamental truth that Scottish football is not, and never was, a fair body to look after the interests of the game in accordance with the rules and regulations of the association. . Its entire raison d’etre is the support and sustenance of Rangers at all costs to all other interests – and it has been for many many decades. .

    It is not a governing body of the game:it has no interest in nor any knowledge of the rules of the game. It makes up any old nonsense to rescue the deid club and subsequently to deny its death. All involved are corrupt and culpable in the greatest fraud perpetrated in Scottish – and quite possibly – World football.

    Our press, public bodies and wider media remain deafeningly silent on this, and neither inform the population as to what has occurred, nor hold any of the perpetrators to account.

    Nothing less than a full blown boycott of all Scottish football games by all fans until such time as Ogilvie and Regan resign, and an independent judicial enquiry – preferably headed by an English or non – Scottish judge – given Hodge et al’s complicity in all of this – is launched into their actions is now required.

    At present Scottish football is being operated outwith the rules of the game. All clubs participating , in my view, are party to an outrageous fraud and deception.

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  54. valentinesclown

    valentinesclown


    Club/company/history

    http://t.co/toJDEJij

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  55. bailemeanach


    iceman63 says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 20:52

    That’s a great post iceman, if you don’t mind I will forward it on to a few interested observers

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  56. briggsbhoy


    thumbs up from me Iceman, what I’m unclear of is whether action taken by those is illegal in terms of the law, if it was then surely there would have been arrests?

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  57. campsiejoe


    bailemeanach @ 21:03

    It is a great post, along with Barcabhoy’s and Goosy earlier
    However unless we can get them to a wider audience, they will have little effect
    That is the real challenge

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  58. jean7brodie

    jean7brodie


    iceman63 says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 20:52
    Excellent post. If this is all unlawful then can we not hire a lawyer or do something to challenge it as suggested by someone before?

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  59. iceman63


    I don’t think any actual laws have been broken. I do think that they have simply ridden roughshod over their own rules of association. I suspect that were any club to challenge the sfa over its actions either through uefa or fifa or the cas or the court of session then they would win any case against them. Only fear of the mob; the press and media prevents any club taking such action. I cannot imagine that the berzz would actually

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  60. bailemeanach


    jean7brodie

    I’m no expert but I think this applies to the laws of scottish football association, now is there a platform whereby one can contest that said laws have not been applied, or that actions have been taken by the governing bodies that fall outwith the rules and regulations (as spelt out by iceman earlier)?

    Iceman’s post is bang on the money – the whole thing stinks of corruption.

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  61. jean7brodie

    jean7brodie


    iceman63 says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 21:47
    Could we not send your post to the editors of the scabby papers, at least, and see if any one of the weasels print them in the letters page or something. I know I sound soft in the head but is it not worth a try?

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  62. neepheid


    iceman63 says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 20:52

    “They also transferred a membership to a separate legal entity – again unlawful – ”

    I have to disagree on that one point. The transfer of membership was within the rules of the SFA, under Article 14.1, which states:

    “. . .any other application for transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board, which will have the complete discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as the Board may think fit.”

    I strongly object to the SFA Board exercising their discretion in the way that they did, but there is no doubt that they had that discretion. It is, in my view, important that we get the legal position absolutely correct.

    I agree with the rest of your post, here is a link to an article which reinforces a lot of the points you make-

    http://www.scotzine.com/2012/07/the-legal-aspect-of-rangers-and-the-sfa-membership/

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  63. bailemeanach


    folks, iceman seems to have poked a metaphorical stick into a hornets nest of corruption. I think it’s a great summary of where we are, and accept neepheids point too. So where do we take it from here?

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  64. ordinaryfan


    bailemeanach says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 22:22
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    folks, iceman seems to have poked a metaphorical stick into a hornets nest of corruption. I think it’s a great summary of where we are, and accept neepheids point too. So where do we take it from here?

    ………..

    This

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  65. goosy


    barcabhoy says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 18:55
    There is a herd mentality which refuses to accept blame or responsibility at Rangers. The herd mentality wants to punish anyone with the temerity to bring Rangers to task for breaches or irregularities. This is a club that really does believe that the only rules that should be applied to it are ones it agrees with.
    That’s the unhealthiest of positions. To change to an inclusive position needs reasonable leadership at Rangers. Green is incapable of providing this. In business terms he’s a lightweight with a lousy track record. He is only doing what his abilities allow him to do.
    Malcolm Murray has been a severe disappointment. He has a credibility and a track record which should be setting the pace here. Instead he has become invisible, content to allow the most outrageous statements from Green and McCoist to remain unchallenged or reigned in.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    barcabhoy
    I sense a certain resonance in your comments
    Can I wind the clock back to 1969 and slightly amend the above
    It is reminiscent of another era where the establishment faced a serious challenge to their supremacy and reacted with what they saw as righteous anger
    i.e.
    There is a herd mentality in the Unionist Party which refuses to accept blame or responsibility at Stormont. The herd mentality wants to punish anyone with the temerity to bring Unionism to task for breaches or irregularities. This is a governing elite that really does believe that the only rules that should be applied to it are ones it agrees with.
    That’s the unhealthiest of positions. To change to an inclusive position needs reasonable leadership at Stormont. Prime Minister Terence O`Neill is incapable of providing this. In business terms he’s a lightweight with a lousy track record. He is only doing what his abilities allow him to do.
    Brian Faulkner has been a severe disappointment. He has a credibility and a track record which should be setting the pace here. Instead he has become invisible, content to allow the most outrageous statements from William Craig and Ian Paisley to remain unchallenged or reigned
    Terence O`Neill was ousted in April 1969 to be replaced by James Chichester Clark
    Following widespread pogroms in July the British Army were invited in on 3 Aug by Chichester Clark to restore law and order

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  66. dedeideoprofundis


    Surely some supporters club in conjunction with TSFM, as interested parties, could seek a judicial review of the shenanigans of the SFA. It could be funded from the leftovers of the TSFM appeal, as well as perhaps another divvy up? I’m up for it.

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  67. jean7brodie

    jean7brodie


    dedeideoprofundis says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 23:08
    Me too!

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  68. troyblain


    i have not heard anything from the Scotland supporters clubs. They must have some power. We should have chants at the next Scotland game.

    Ogilvie must go

    Theres only 2 Glasgow Rangers

    Its a mythtery Rangers hithtory.

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  69. enough is enough


    Apologies if already posted. To any Sevco fan still claiming “It was the holding company that died – not the club”.

    Lets see what our old chums Duff n Duffer have to say, its a large document but no real need to read anything after the line under “Dear Sir”

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CG4QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rangers.co.uk%2Findex.php%2Fclub%2Fadministrators-information%2Fitem%2Fdownload%2F28_7fc3a3f0da9d1df61b3d05625e9468ef&ei=ChbzUPmQJeGK0AXEjIHQAw&usg=AFQjCNHTVKN2tKKaPbrGO-6N4mxtY2AJ-Q&sig2=D2o2kNjQr0EVGOdDffzkmQ&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.d2k

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  70. Brenda


    Really sorry to put a dampener on things but haven’t we been here before? Unless FIFA/UEFA get involved over the SFA’s ignorance of their own rules and secret 5 way agreements, allowing a dead club/company to go against every liquidation law, allowing sevco to join the SFL when they didn’t meet the criteria, giving a 3rd division team a grade 1 referee for every game, secret meetings, the deafening silence from Regan, Doncaster, longmuir and ogilvie, the cheating, corruption, chuckies lies and ally’s rabble-rousing goes on and on ……. 🙁 SCOTTISH FOOTBALL IS DEAD UNLESS SOMEONE/CLUB/ORGANISATION HAS THE BALLS TO GET RID ASAP.

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  71. TSFM


    New blog by BRTH up. We also have some stuff from Auldheid regarding the Club Trusts/Associations which will be published as a separate blog for consideration as soon as I have time to get it all in order.

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  72. angus1983


    enoughx2 says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 23:26

    Lets see what our old chums Duff n Duffer have to say, its a large document but no real need to read anything after the line under “Dear Sir”
    ——

    As said before … this is just a definition, telling the reader that, within the document, “the Club” and “the Company” are to be understood as meeaning “Rangers Football Club plc”.

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  73. AllyJambo

    AllyJambo


    angus1983 says:

    Monday, January 14, 2013 at 08:52

    enoughx2 says:
    Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 23:26

    Lets see what our old chums Duff n Duffer have to say, its a large document but no real need to read anything after the line under “Dear Sir”
    ——

    As said before … this is just a definition, telling the reader that, within the document, “the Club” and “the Company” are to be understood as meeaning “Rangers Football Club plc”.
    ______________________________________________

    I understand what you’re saying, Angus, but it is ‘defining’, that in this document, part of the legal process of the administration of Rangers Football Club plc, ‘the club’ and ‘the company’ are one and the same thing. If they’d meant anything else then, surely, they would have left it at defining ‘the company’ as meaning ‘Rangers Football Club plc’ with no reference to ‘the club’ necessary. Can anyone come up with any legal documentation that says, or even suggests it might be the case, that ‘the club’ and ‘the company’ are separate?

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